What is the difference between gear and motor oil?

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Question for the experts: What exactly is the difference between gear oil, GL-1/ compounded oils like GL-5 and heavy duty motor oil?

Besides the viscosity, is it simply more anti-wear additives, detergency or lack there of? What accounts for the sulfur smell that is missing, even in HDEO oils?
 
Additives (engine oil has more) and weight (gear oil is heavier).

Now, some modern manual transmissions use ATF (Automatic Transmission Fluid) in them.

Different viscosity. In very simplistic terms an Engine requires a thinner oil than a gearbox because the components have different tolerances and speeds and different oiling mechanisms. A engine uses a pump to keep a constant flowl. Most manual gearboxes rely on a sump and essentially a oil bath. Thicker oil clings long enough to get pulled to the top of the gear box and coat the rest of the gears as it drains back down to the sump, much the same as rear end gears are also a oil bath in your old Ford 9" or Chevy 12 bolt posi.

MTF (Manual Transmission Fluid) is in fact a 5w-30 engine oil.

There are cars where the gearbox runs on the engine oil, old minis for example.

For your information a 75w-90 gear oil is roughly equivalent in viscosity terms to a 10w-40 engine oil.

Sulfur is what makes gear oils smell so bad.
Sulfur compounds are part of the extreme pressure lubrication additive pack needed by hypoid gears. Hypoid gears are found in rear-drive differential ring-and-pinion sets where the centerline of the pinion is offset below the centerline of the ring gear- it allows for the driveshaft to be lower and the floor of the car to be flatter. The gears themselves therefore are sort of halfway between normal straight-cut bevel gears and a worm gear. That means that as the teeth engage and release, they brush across each other while under high pressure. Special additives are needed to keep the specially hardened surfaces from degrading under that kind of contact. Its a bit like flat tappet cams where you have a sliding motion and high pressure at the same time, although not quite as extreme as the tappets.
 
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Originally Posted By: Corvette Owner
Sulfur compounds are part of the extreme pressure lubrication additive pack needed by hypoid gears. . Special additives are needed to keep the specially hardened surfaces from degrading under that kind of contact. Its a bit like flat tappet cams where you have a sliding motion and high pressure at the same time, although not quite as extreme as the tappets.

So if used in non-hypoid, non-sliding gear boxes what are the advantages/disadvantages between gear oil and a HDEO motor oil such as Rotella straight 40wt. ?
 
Use whatever is recommended for the box you intend to put it in in the absence of owner site useage based recommendations to the contrary.
There is little need for detergency in a gearbox.
There may be an incompatibility problem in using some lubes in some boxes.
If you want to play with gearbox lube recommendations, at least try to match the chemistry of the recommended lube.
If ATF or motor oil is recommended for a gear box, be very careful not to select a high sulfer high TAN lube for it.
Some gearboxes have yellow metal parts which will be damaged by a high TAN lube.
It isn't so much viscosity or detergency as it is the additives used.
Motor oil always has TBN>TAN when new.
This is not always true of gear lube.
 
Originally Posted By: Corvette Owner
I assumed that you were asking just for knowledge. Why any one would go against a manufacture's recommended fluid type is just plain crazy.

Its for a Maytag washer gearbox, the recommended fluid is their brand, type unknown, special order and expensive. Probably a generic GL-1 or 2 (has the appearance of gear oil but no sulfur odor at all) repackaged in a Maytag bottle with a hefty markup.

Just asking to hopefully identify a proper substitute for myself and future generations and learn a few things in the process.
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WOW, I didn't see that coming ! Good luck !

Depending on it's viscosity, a 5W-30 engine oil would probably be okay. I'd probably "bite the bullet" and use OEM. Look at it this way, doing the labor youself allows you to buy the OEM Oil and still be ahead.
 
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As a side note, gear oil tastes incredibly bad.
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No, I don't go around tasting things. When I was young, I was working under a differential that had the cover removed. La de da (mouth open) "drip" a drop of gear oil fell square on my tongue (mental note, keep mouth closed in future). To this day, I remember that taste, it was bad, so bad. Spitting and swishing with Coca Cola would not remove the taste.

It's probably the sulfur compounds.
 
Originally Posted By: Corvette Owner
I believe Maytag washers use a "wet brake" so maybe a motorcycle oil for a wet clutch would be better? The OEM oil is about $27.
Right, they do use a wet brake, about a tablespoon of trans oil is poured in.

Motorcycle oils are usually SJ rated and silmilar to HDEO oils, but that gets back to the original question, gear oil verses motor oil.

Its not that I can't afford the OEM oil, I'm just curious if different oils can be safely used and why.
 
my dad drove Hudsons, that used a wet clutch, in a sealed chambered ring. but it took very little oil. and was hard to get to. my dad bought a large oil can with a long spout to reach the clutch housing.
 
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