What is the best GM engine?
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[QUOTE I'm limited to what the GM card will allow me to buy. So I'm stuck with Chevy, Pontiac, Buick, Cadillac, GMC, Hummer. I'm looking for a GM engine that:
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Cutehumor,
I was just curious, If G.M. would let you transfer your G.M. card credits to another manufacturer, would you do it. We are in the same boat, we have nearly $2,000.00 in G.M. credits but it has to used on a G.M. vehicle. They will not let you use it on a extended warranty or even parts. We asked Ford last week if they would ever consider taking G.M. credits if we would trade on a Ford product and of course they said NO.We normally trade trucks every two years but since they changed their trucks we have not.
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Cutehumor,
I was just curious, If G.M. would let you transfer your G.M. card credits to another manufacturer, would you do it. We are in the same boat, we have nearly $2,000.00 in G.M. credits but it has to used on a G.M. vehicle. They will not let you use it on a extended warranty or even parts. We asked Ford last week if they would ever consider taking G.M. credits if we would trade on a Ford product and of course they said NO.We normally trade trucks every two years but since they changed their trucks we have not.
Only the first two years of Matrix production had a GM stereo. In 2005, Toyota went back to their own stereos. I know as my wife has an '05 Matrix. The car does have a Delphi battery in it.
My only prior experience with a GM part in a Toyota was the Delco alternator that failed on our '91 Camry after about 11 months of service. The warranty replacement was a Nippon Denso alternator that was still going strong after 13 years when we sold the car.
I wonder why Toyota chose to install their own stereos in the Matrix starting in '05? I'll keep you all posted on the Delphi battery!
I'm not sure, but even that Toyota stereo may be made by Delphi/Delco.
The ones they used in the '99 Sienna van are (the sticker on top listing the model number indicates that it was made by Delco).
[ February 18, 2005, 04:07 PM: Message edited by: brianl703 ]
I agree with Labman. the HO Quad4 was way ahead of it's time 15 years ago. it's built like a race engine. it's 2.3 liters put out 190 hp with no variable valve timing or turbo. it had crank triggered ignition with coil-on-plug technology. and it got excellent gas milage. it did have electrical problems, but the engine itself was an excellent design.
Cutehumor, what about a Saab? Saabs are really nice cars and are reliable. They are considered GM vehicles even though I personally don't but it might work to your advantage. Go check one out!
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Cutehumor,
I was just curious, If G.M. would let you transfer your G.M. card credits to another manufacturer, would you do it. We are in the same boat, we have nearly $2,000.00 in G.M. credits but it has to used on a G.M. vehicle. They will not let you use it on a extended warranty or even parts. We asked Ford last week if they would ever consider taking G.M. credits if we would trade on a Ford product and of course they said NO.We normally trade trucks every two years but since they changed their trucks we have not. [/QB][/QUOTE]
if GM would allow me to use my earnings on Saturn. I would get the Saturn Vue 3.5L. They did allow gm card earnings for a short time two years ago. They haven't done it since.
I just wanted to point out that by saying "older 3800s" your being very vague. Older to some people means 80s, to others it means 60s.
The "3800" is very significant because it was probably the biggest overhaul the V6 ever had. The shifted the block make the crankshaft "on-center", they installed small-skirted pistons, they changed the head design, they added a balance shaft, they changed the intake and valve cover design, and lots more.
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the saab 9-2x uses the suburu wrx 2.0 turbo. saab is not allowed either with gm card earnings.
GM owns part of Subaru's parent company. Toyota and GM have had a joint plant in the US for years, they make the Vibe, Corolla and Tacoma there. Honda exchanged the 3.5 engine for a bunch of Isuzu diesels for use outside the US. You can also get a GM tranny in a BMW, Volvo, and Daewoo. Jaguar, Ferrari and others have also used GM trannys.
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Smoking crack is not really good for your health.
CuteHumor, You can get GM employee discount or supplier discount on Saturns, All GM Makes, SAAB and some times but not always Subaru. THey problem though is that you can only get a discount on GM makes for parts if you happen to live near an SPO wharehouse. SAAB, Saturn and Subaru do not get the parts discount.
T-Keith, The parent company for Subaru is Fuji Heavy Industry LTD. I think GM owns a 20% or 25% stake in them but do not quote me. GM talked about borrowing Subies entire drivetrain for future AWD applications. They pretty much own Iszusu. They are going to be getting a light duty diesel from Fiat.
I actualy watched FWD tranys being made for both GM and Volvo at a plant. Until recently though wasn't the 5 SPD that Adam Opel was makeing in Germany for BMW only used by BMW? It was only since they went to a RWD 5 SPD on the Cadilac line that they started useing that same trans correct?
T-Keith, The parent company for Subaru is Fuji Heavy Industry LTD. I think GM owns a 20% or 25% stake in them but do not quote me. GM talked about borrowing Subies entire drivetrain for future AWD applications. They pretty much own Iszusu. They are going to be getting a light duty diesel from Fiat.
I actualy watched FWD tranys being made for both GM and Volvo at a plant. Until recently though wasn't the 5 SPD that Adam Opel was makeing in Germany for BMW only used by BMW? It was only since they went to a RWD 5 SPD on the Cadilac line that they started useing that same trans correct?
No wonder my GM service manual CD set contains service information for Isuzu NPR-series trucks.
I was wondering why that was in there.
I work for a GM supplier, I knew about the discount on GM vehicles, but I did not know about the discount on GM parts? Can you tell me more?
(Maybe I can get those Ecotec filters a little cheaper???)
Correct. The 5L50E is used in BMWs and Cadillacs. I think that the 6L80E may be used in other soon as well, but we will see. Another interesting note is that Ford signed on to make a GM designed 6 speed FWD auto with GM, and Chrysler is licensing GM's hybrid technology that can be entirely transmission based.
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brian703,Suppliers no longer get the parts discount. It used to be that EDS,Huges,GMAC,Delphi, eltromotive etc..... all got the parts discount. The last labor contract did away with that. Now only peopel with General Motors Corperation on their badge or paycheck can get the parts discount! The supplier car discount is also different then the GM employees get. You do not get as deep of a discount and you have to pay tax on the full sticker price.
A lot of dealerships will just give the standard GM purchase discount htough on the car it just depends on who you are dealing with. Back when everyone got the parts discount you simply put in an order and drove out to a GM SPO warehouse and picked up the parts. THey sold to you for the same price they sold to the dealership for. So you normaly paid 1/2 the price the dealership wanted for the parts. That is gone though.
I worked for one conteract house that got all the benifits and one that got next to none so I used to be able to use it! I still have uncles though that are retired from GM so I can use their benifits!
Try google searching "GM Supplier Discount". I think they have a seperate site now just for suppliers. It used to handled by "GM Family First" but I think it all cahnged after the last contract with the UAW.
A lot of dealerships will just give the standard GM purchase discount htough on the car it just depends on who you are dealing with. Back when everyone got the parts discount you simply put in an order and drove out to a GM SPO warehouse and picked up the parts. THey sold to you for the same price they sold to the dealership for. So you normaly paid 1/2 the price the dealership wanted for the parts. That is gone though.
I worked for one conteract house that got all the benifits and one that got next to none so I used to be able to use it! I still have uncles though that are retired from GM so I can use their benifits!
Try google searching "GM Supplier Discount". I think they have a seperate site now just for suppliers. It used to handled by "GM Family First" but I think it all cahnged after the last contract with the UAW.
T-Keith have you looked at their Hybrid??? It really is not that impressive from a fuel saveings stand point. I think they were just holding off on their HB research becasue they really did not want to do them! I think they are really putting all of their egg's in the fuel cell basket! DC has been playing the Hydrogen game for a while!I think that GM's new transmission are really good. I think they finaly reliazed that they had to modernize if they wanted to be competitive. All Lux. cars have 5 or 6 speed automatics a lot of minivans and compact trucks have 5 speed automoatics or 6 speed manuals. Market presure is a good thing. I built up a 700R4 to take massive amounts of HP and Tq. long before they were popular but the 4 spd automatic has to go. It is just to long in the tooth! For 4 years I have been wanting them to add a gear to the 4L60E and make it smarter! I wanted the same thing for the 4T60E,65E etc..... In the auto industry you have to keep up with the jones!! I have always hated how long it takes for my LaSaber to down shift and you had better have your foot 3/4 to the floor!!
The older I get the more I like an automatic. The problem is that I am picky. I like an automatic that thinks like a person driveing a manual trans! A lot of newer transmission use information from wheel speed sensor and acceleromator and steering wheel postion and the drivers driveing style to mimic a manual trans. Some take advantage of engine breaking and seem to know that they should hold that gear etc..... I do realise that no automatic is ever perfect but some have come a long long ways!!!
You know I think the whole environmental thing is really out of control!!! I am currently not a big fan of fuel cells at all and all the batterys that Hybrids need turn me off as well.
I still belive that direct injection lean burn gasoline engine, miller cycle gas engines, light weight diesels running on bio-diesel, better cat. converters and more aerodynamic designs hold plenty of promise! I also think that if all cars and trucks were inspected every two years and all had to meet their origanal emissions spec.'s it would do more then ever tightening emission laws.
I also think that we need to be harder on factory emissions.
[ February 21, 2005, 03:06 AM: Message edited by: JohnBrowning ]
The older I get the more I like an automatic. The problem is that I am picky. I like an automatic that thinks like a person driveing a manual trans! A lot of newer transmission use information from wheel speed sensor and acceleromator and steering wheel postion and the drivers driveing style to mimic a manual trans. Some take advantage of engine breaking and seem to know that they should hold that gear etc..... I do realise that no automatic is ever perfect but some have come a long long ways!!!
You know I think the whole environmental thing is really out of control!!! I am currently not a big fan of fuel cells at all and all the batterys that Hybrids need turn me off as well.
I still belive that direct injection lean burn gasoline engine, miller cycle gas engines, light weight diesels running on bio-diesel, better cat. converters and more aerodynamic designs hold plenty of promise! I also think that if all cars and trucks were inspected every two years and all had to meet their origanal emissions spec.'s it would do more then ever tightening emission laws.
I also think that we need to be harder on factory emissions.
[ February 21, 2005, 03:06 AM: Message edited by: JohnBrowning ]
IMHO, I agree, but I would add to that the requirement that auto manufacturers foot the bill for the replacement of failed components that contribute to emission test failures the first 120K miles or more, unless they can prove abuse, with substantial penalties if they try to sandbag the consumer in the process.
With just emissions testing, the consumer can get screwed twice. First the consumer will have to pay for the infrastructure of all the testing facilities, then if manufacturers cost cut to where components fail early, they have to pay dearly for the repairs too.
IMHO, there's no reason manufacturers can't build a low emissions car that'll last 120K+ miles with some simple maintenance. Seems to me they spend to much time on glitz and marketing rather than engineering quality products that'll go the distance.
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