what is good VW 502 approved OIL??

[VeeDubb]

What makes all of this even more confusing is that VW owner's manuals are often less than clear. My 02 Passat manual said that the oil must meet ACEA A1 or A3 or VW502 or VW502. It was not written in a way where it was clear whether you need to meet all three or only one of them. The only thing that was clear to me was that the manual was not written by Mori

 

[VeeDubb]

oops, I meant VW505 at the end.

 

[moribundman]

My '96's manual is quite clear on what oil is to be used. Anything rated API SF or SG (or newer) for cars driven in the US, VW 500 or 501.00 for cars driven in Europe. Guess with what I went...

PS: I got one oil spec wrong in my long post. It should say VW 501.00 where it says VW 501.01. The general confusion is apparently infectious.

 

[Lonnie]

A band-aid you say. Which is the better solution, re-engineering DI on your car or using RLI. If this is a problem that will come in some degree with any DI engine then oil performance will have to step up. This is becoming a new requirement for lubrication to help solve. Now you will have to figure out how to thet the backsides of the intake valves wet.

 

[moribundman]

I didn't suggest a DIY fix. I suggested sticking with proven technology until the bugs in the new technology were ironed out.

If direct injection invariably leads to fuel dilution then direction injection is junk -- unless you are willing to put up with a flawed system and Band-Aid fixes.

 

[VeeDubb]

My 07 manual, on the other hand, is very clear. It specs VW502 period. What impressed me even more was they went on to clarify that this does not imply synthetic unless you live in North America. So it was a major upgrade over the 02 manual. Mori, did VW hire you recently to oversee their documentation?

 

[moribundman]

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Mori, did VW hire you recently to oversee their documentation?

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That would be a cushy job.

 

[glxpassat]

Why don't they just use high tension rings if that's the problem? It seems difficult for me to believe they didn't notice any of this when testing the engine...

 

[benjamming]

Remember that RI_RS4 has posted that the European version has a lean burn option that probably helps alleviate much of the fuel dilution issue.

 

[moribundman]

Not sure if higher tension rings would really help. Hasn't Audi implemented a newly developed high-tech "dimpled" cylinder finish that retains an oil film? Maybe that's another Band-Aid used to counteract the effects of fuel dilution?

My Audi has low tension rings and runs like a fat pig, and yet I have no fuel dilution issues whatsoever. Of course my engine has a very simple FI...

Fuel dilution has been a major problem with direct injection since the 1930s. They haven't been able to fix the issue in 70 years!

 

[moribundman]

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Remember that RI_RS4 has posted that the European version has a lean burn option that probably helps alleviate much of the fuel dilution issue.

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The fuel dilution issue with direct injection is well documented, is nothing new, and is not exclusive to US models.

http://www.google.com/search?q= Ölverdünnung direkteinspritzung

 

[benjamming]

I probably should have written "some" instead of "much".

 

[RI_RS4]

Mori, 502 is all that is allowed in the US. 504 is not even in the picture. What you are presenting has absolutely no authority in the US for warranty issues at this time. As a result we do not agree that 502 oil is just fine for recent engines in which it is specified. IMO those that use 502 oils and use the factory specified 10K mile OCI will see long term reliability problems with cam chains, cam tensioners, valve and combustion chamber deposits in the following engines:

2.0L TFSI
3.2L V6 FSI
3.6L V6 FSI
4.2L V8 FSI
5.2L V10 FSI

All of these engines are known to fuel dilute and destroy oil.

 

[RI_RS4]

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Remember that RI_RS4 has posted that the European version has a lean burn option that probably helps alleviate much of the fuel dilution issue.

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The fuel dilution issue with direct injection is well documented, is nothing new, and is not exclusive to US models.

http://www.google.com/search?q= Ölverdünnung direkteinspritzung

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Mori, I never said that fuel dilution was limited to US models. What I said was, "... for our European brothers, the FSI stratified mode (lean burn) is enabled, thus reducing fuel influx into the oil." Lean burn mode changes the fuel dilution transport balance in the engine. Since a higher percentage of fuel is burned, less fuel is available for influx into the oil through ring blow by and cylinder wash down. But the vaporization rate of fuel in the oil remains the same. Thus, the net average fuel dilution of the oil is reduced.

Mori, you are correct in that fuel dilution in diesel direct injection engines is a well known and researched phenomena. Your search turns up ample references for diesel engines. Fuel dilution has been an issue with diesel engines for many many years, and has been generally solved through a combination of engine, lubricant and fuel design.

Fuel dilution, and it's consequences for gasoline direct injection, are less well known. Currently there are research efforts on fuel dilution related problems in GDI engines by many in the automotive design, fuel and lubricant communities.

 

[moribundman]

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Mori, I never said that fuel dilution was limited to US models.

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Look again. I didn't claim that you said that. I was replying to benjamming!

 

[moribundman]

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Mori, 502 is all that is allowed in the US. 504 is not even in the picture. What you are presenting has absolutely no authority in the US for warranty issues at this time. As a result we do not agree that 502 oil is just fine for recent engines in which it is specified.

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I was being sarcastic about "agreeing."

Again, as I already said, I wouldn't buy a VW or Audi car (or most likely any make) that contains the latest unproven technology. I've learned my lesson.

 

[Redsalamander]

Where can I get a list of manufacturers that comply with VW standards. I need to find a 506.01 or 507.00

I was hoping M1 but it appears not.

 

[G-MAN]

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Where can I get a list of manufacturers that comply with VW standards. I need to find a 506.01 or 507.00

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So VW is up to 507.00 now? I'd like to see a list of all the current VW oil specs and just what these various specs, i.e., 502.00, 504.00, 506.01, etc., mean.

 

[Redsalamander]

As far as the manual goes.
its a 0w30 oil. I have only found AGIP 7007 as per their chart.
At the bottom of the chart the following was written
Should the customer prefer a rigid 15OOOkm maintenance interval despite of WIV, other alternative motoroils with the following specifications can be used: 5O2,OO for series- and V-gasoline engines, 5O5.OO for diesel engines without pump-injector and 5O5.O1 for diesel engines with pump-injector.
all W-gasoline engines are to be filled with an oil of the specification 5O3.O1 even with rigid maintenance interval.


About the motor:
I have a 19TDI motor as per the Golf TDI mine however is a seat ibiza cupra. Trust the spanish to take a VW motor desiged to make 115HP and turn out 160HP and 330NM

 

[Redsalamander]

I found the answer. - If you stay in the UK. but this should help none the less.

The following oils meets specifications VW 504 00 and 507 00. All are 5w30 oils. Those highlighted in bold are known to be available in the UK.


Addinol Mega Light MV0539 LE
Agip 7008
Autol Carrera Longlife III
Aral SuperTronic LongLife III
Astris Matro L-3
Aviasynth 5w30 LongLife 3
BP Visco 7000 Longlife III
Bucher AG Motorex Profile V-XL
Castrol EDGE 5w30
Castrol SLX LongLife III
Castrol TXT 507 00
Castrol LongLife III Hochleistungsmotorenol
Castrol SLX Longlife III Topup
Cepsa Star TDI Synth
Divino Syntholight 03
Elf Solaris LLX
Eurol Syntence Longlife
Fuchs TITAN GT1 Longlife III
Galp Formula Longlife III
Gamaparts Super Longlife III
Havoline Ultra V
Madit Gold Longlife
Megol Motorenol Compatible
Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5w30
MOL Dynamic Gold Longlife
Motorex Profile V-XL
Panolin Avanis SV-X
Pentosin Pento Super Performance III
Repsol Elite Longlife 50700/50400
Shell Helix Ultra Extra
Shell Helix Ultra VX
Statoil LazerWay LL
Tecar Motorenol 504 00 / 507 00
Top Tec 4200
Total Quartz Ineo 504-507
VAPS Vapsoil 507 00
Volkswagen LongLife III
Wintershall ViVA1 SLV Plus
Zeller+Gmelin Divinol Syntholight 03


VW 504 00 covers the following VW-specifications for petrol-engine cars:

VW 501 01
VW 502 00
VW 503 00
Vw 503 01

VW 507 00 covers the following VW-specifications for diesel-engine cars:

VW 505 00
VW 505 01
VW 506 00
VW 506 01