What is going on with Toyota?

Ironic perhaps, but that’s my point. I’ve had no issues. But Toyota gets a pass while anything domestic is a pile of junk.

I consider myself to be a Toyota fan, but I am definitely not giving them a pass. I am extremely disappointed in the direction they seem to be taking.

I am critical of any manufacturer that puts out marginal products.
 
As a fan of Toyota and Lexus, I think if I HAD to buy a vehicle today I’d go with a decked out Honda CRV hybrid.
The Civic is a car I like, based on what I’ve read and seen. Have not driven one in decades. Stick being available is a plus…top of the line is $32k I believe…(not R but normal)
 
That was because DANA Corp made the frames improperly. Toyota won a 25 million dollar lawsuit against DANA Corp, and replaced lots of frames, or bought trucks back.
We are talking Tacoma. Gen II TRUE. Not gen 3. I just dislike generalizing but you are correct salt road places are nasty

But park a car by the Pacific Ocean and it will rust
Yes we have a 2010 Tacoma as a spare at work, soon to be sold and replaced by a 2015 Silverado 1500 4.3. It has been a reliable truck but it's half the mileage of my 2005 Silverado and the frame appears like it will have major issues in the next couple years....it had similar care to my 2005 up until a few years ago where I purchased the 2005 and then it got babied where the Tacoma has been neglected completely. It's needed a few repairs but if it had been anything else than a Toyota or 99-07 GM then it would have likely had some major issues.
 
Over $30K for a CIVIC??!!!!

Armed robbery
Well the car I really want is $140k more (911 Carrera S). People seem to drop 65k on what I refer to as the “nonsense” models. So I figure better to go higher, or lower. In between is a complete waste to me
 
I consider myself to be a Toyota fan, but I am definitely not giving them a pass. I am extremely disappointed in the direction they seem to be taking.

I am critical of any manufacturer that puts out marginal products.
Ditto. They did better in the past. Their high initial quality lead to few problems in the first few years, but when they did break down and need stuff, they were not necessarily cheaper. More likely to hit (100k, 150k, 200k, take your pick, depending how far back you want to go) without drama--but then you wanted to get rid of it, as it would get expensive just like anything else. Nothing lasts forever.

Used to be, if you were the first owner of a Toyota, you didn't worry about it.
 
The Civic is a car I like, based on what I’ve read and seen. Have not driven one in decades. Stick being available is a plus…top of the line is $32k I believe…(not R but normal)
The latest civic is a decent looking car. I prefer my last gen accord on looks, but if I needed a highway car to put miles on the latest civic would get a look.
 
Toyota is getting the attention right now but it makes me wonder about the future of reliability for all makes. I was always a gm guy and currently drive a 19.5 year old Silverado 1500 4x4 for work and it's been making me mileage $ for a few years now (with no payments). It makes more $ than I spend on maintenance but it won't last forever. I don't feel like I could ever keep the deal I have now because my mileage income would be less than the truck payments before you even consider repairs after warranty runs out. My employer just decided to switch to new leases to replace all the currently owned trucks over the next 2 years. Transmission and AC failures on the 2017 Silverado and 2018 f150 are part of what pushed them to the change.
 
Guess these aren't selling?

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Agree 100%.

My GUESS it's the engineer (CAD??) - someone/something didn't see the load being stacked there and thought a weaker alloy would suffice.

Yes should have been an iron alloy, strong steel, hahha even a stainless alloy would have been strong enough
Not sure where or who division of Toyota is responsible for the Tacoma's suspension design.

If it was me tasked, I would have recommend heavy gauge stamping with appropriate post treatment or forged steel part design that could survive cyclic loading of the strut spring assembly top cap.

Aluminum castings if I'm seeing this is the case in the video where it broke off. Would have too much porous material structure to survive cyclic tension loads, its been fundamentally known that cast / metal injection molding materials are poor in a tension load environment but fairly to good in a compression load environment depending on the raw material and grade chosen.

Anyways this really shouldn't have gotten through as design review process have to go through the highest level of engineering review by senior and leadership role staff. Having been involved in multi-million dollar capital equipment projects, it would take some major oversight to let this pass into volume production approval.
 
Not sure where or who division of Toyota is responsible for the Tacoma's suspension design.

If it was me tasked, I would have recommend heavy gauge stamping with appropriate post treatment or forged steel part design that could survive cyclic loading of the strut spring assembly top cap.

Aluminum castings if I'm seeing this is the case in the video where it broke off. Would have too much porous material structure to survive cyclic tension loads, its been fundamentally known that cast / metal injection molding materials are poor in a tension load environment but fairly to good in a compression load environment depending on the raw material and grade chosen.

Anyways this really shouldn't have gotten through as design review process have to go through the highest level of engineering review by senior and leadership role staff. Having been involved in multi-million dollar capital equipment projects, it would take some major oversight to let this pass into volume production approval.
Yeah but any good engineer would have seen that was a high load/high stress point.

I mean do you think they knew that and said "6061 T4 will work" or even some combination, of engineers knowing.......but even bean counters would have seen that steel is cheaper (well should be) or ???? Maybe some static load Ax to derive some dynamic load........

This is the QE part of me - that I must know. What the heck was the root cause?
 
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