What is an "assault rifle"?

[GMBoy]

Donald -

1. Restricting ammo will do nothing...a criminal will steal from the law abiding or just stock up thru time until he has enough.

2. Purchase of 1 gun a month is already law in some areas and wow, just like restricting ammo - criminals will just steal or collect over time.

3. Ban rapid fire assault rifles? Yeah - they already are banned. You cannot just buy a full auto rifle. Well, if you want to go thru the process and pay thousands of dollars for a permit and then $10-15,000 for the weapon. Leave out assault because they is such a media coined term that means nothing. Any tool to commit a crime can be an assault weapon.

4. Background checks on gun show private person sales I have no issue with. Just go to a gun vender, pay his fee and make the sale. Sure, I can see that as a reasonable request.

Lastly - people need to stop blaming the NRA. The NRA is made up of MILLIONS of gun owners - they are OUR voice and we need them to STOP gun grabbing no idea having libturds who act on emotions from these school shootings to ban guns because there are NO facts to support their case.

PERIOD.

 

[Boatowner]

Originally Posted By: Gabe
First off, Hitler was elected into office. Second, gun ownership didn't stop Germany from invading France, Greece, UK, Norway, ect. I doubt Jewish gun laws even weighed much into it.

Your example is pretty bad argument...


A little accuracy by you gun grabbers would be nice. Hitler was not elected, his party won a small plurality which got him appointed. From there he just took over. Next, all those European countries Hitler invaded had gun registration and gun control, except Switzerland which Hitler did not invade for some reason (hint, it couldn't have been the guns, right?) When the Germans invaded France they got the registration lists and went door to door collecting all weapons right off the government lists.

The solution to atrocities like last Friday is to arm the school staff. You don't need armed cops at schools, just trained, armed staff members so nut cases won't know they can go in and start killing without being opposed.

Are people aware the reason the Clackamas Town Center shooter stopped and then committed suicide was because he was confronted by an armed concealed carry permit holder?

You can't stop nut cases from being nut cases. How many times has someone caused multiple deaths by plowing into a crowd with a car? How many deaths are caused by knives? How about beatings with no weapons?

You gun grabbers need to realize there are those of us who will fight back, just as our ancestors did 237 years eight months ago when the gun grabbers came to Lexington and Concord to disarm the people.

 

[FXjohn]

Originally Posted By: nra1ifer
Originally Posted By: Gabe
Originally Posted By: nra1ifer
What do you think keeps the federal government or any other body from harassing the U.S. population? It's the very REAL threat of an ARMED population.


Do you really believe that??


Read your history. Do you think Hitler would have tried to exterminate the Jewish population (or any others, for that matter) if they had been armed?



The Nazis walked over whole armies. I doubt if some armed jews would have mattered. stupid argument

 

[GMBoy]

Originally Posted By: Boatowner
Originally Posted By: Gabe
First off, Hitler was elected into office. Second, gun ownership didn't stop Germany from invading France, Greece, UK, Norway, ect. I doubt Jewish gun laws even weighed much into it.

Your example is pretty bad argument...


A little accuracy by you gun grabbers would be nice. Hitler was not elected, his party won a small plurality which got him appointed. From there he just took over. Next, all those European countries Hitler invaded had gun registration and gun control, except Switzerland which Hitler did not invade for some reason (hint, it couldn't have been the guns, right?) When the Germans invaded France they got the registration lists and went door to door collecting all weapons right off the government lists.

The solution to atrocities like last Friday is to arm the school staff. You don't need armed cops at schools, just trained, armed staff members so nut cases won't know they can go in and start killing without being opposed.

Are people aware the reason the Clackamas Town Center shooter stopped and then committed suicide was because he was confronted by an armed concealed carry permit holder?

You can't stop nut cases from being nut cases. How many times has someone caused multiple deaths by plowing into a crowd with a car? How many deaths are caused by knives? How about beatings with no weapons?

You gun grabbers need to realize there are those of us who will fight back, just as our ancestors did 237 years eight months ago when the gun grabbers came to Lexington and Concord to disarm the people.


Good Job!! Kill 'em with facts. Libturd gun grabbers don't know history and believe whatever the media tells them...and cannot rationalize their thought of how ANY gun law will stop a CRIMINAL who, by simple definition, doesn't obey laws.

 

[surfstar]

Originally Posted By: Boatowner

You can't stop nut cases from being nut cases.


This is where the debate should/will head.
You can't fix crazy.
You can't legislate against crazy.

Sadly these events will occur again and its not likely we'll have found a way to prevent them - no matter how much 'debate' takes place.

 

[Robenstein]

Originally Posted By: FXjohn
Originally Posted By: nra1ifer
Originally Posted By: Gabe
Originally Posted By: nra1ifer
What do you think keeps the federal government or any other body from harassing the U.S. population? It's the very REAL threat of an ARMED population.


Do you really believe that??


Read your history. Do you think Hitler would have tried to exterminate the Jewish population (or any others, for that matter) if they had been armed?



The Nazis walked over whole armies. I doubt if some armed jews would have mattered. stupid argument



Look up the Warsaw Ghetto Revolt. The Jews gave them a [censored] of a run for their money.

Also those of you who think the 2nd Amendment is all about hunting need to read YOUR history. Specifically the Federalist and Anti Federalist papers, the 1689 English Bill of Rights, and the Constitutional Convention arguments...probably the 1792 Militia Act also. Might set ya straight.....it was enough for the Supreme Court to kill the 19th century "collectivist" view.

Also read "Living with Guns: A Liberals Case for the Second Amendment", it was written by a NY Times journalist who is very liberal. He gives HARD evidence that gun bans in various nations have lead to tyranny or simply like in the case of the UK or Australia, an actual rise in violent crime.

We are at a 40 year low as far as crime in this nation and that includes violent crimes according to a 2011 DoJ report. The AP also published facts from a renowned criminology prof that shows mass shootings are lower now than in the 90's during the assault weapons ban. The DoJ also reported after the end of the first ban that it had no real effect in curbing the crimes it was implemented to fix.


A little reading would do all of you who are clamoring for bans and limits in a kneejerk emotional reaction to a sad sad tragedy a little good. We are a nation of laws and rational thinking. Shootings down under are up almost 20 percent since their bans...MORE people are suffering and dying from violent acts...but the slow drip drip drip of individual shootings doesnt make the news.

 

[xxch4osxx]

Originally Posted By: Gabe
It is very hard to justify the sale of a 100 rd drum.

I don't find it hard to justify at all. Plinking with large capacity magazines is fun, plain and simple. Good enough justification for me.

 

[RamFan]

Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: Boatowner
Originally Posted By: Gabe
First off, Hitler was elected into office. Second, gun ownership didn't stop Germany from invading France, Greece, UK, Norway, ect. I doubt Jewish gun laws even weighed much into it.

Your example is pretty bad argument...


A little accuracy by you gun grabbers would be nice. Hitler was not elected, his party won a small plurality which got him appointed. From there he just took over. Next, all those European countries Hitler invaded had gun registration and gun control, except Switzerland which Hitler did not invade for some reason (hint, it couldn't have been the guns, right?) When the Germans invaded France they got the registration lists and went door to door collecting all weapons right off the government lists.

The solution to atrocities like last Friday is to arm the school staff. You don't need armed cops at schools, just trained, armed staff members so nut cases won't know they can go in and start killing without being opposed.

Are people aware the reason the Clackamas Town Center shooter stopped and then committed suicide was because he was confronted by an armed concealed carry permit holder?

You can't stop nut cases from being nut cases. How many times has someone caused multiple deaths by plowing into a crowd with a car? How many deaths are caused by knives? How about beatings with no weapons?

You gun grabbers need to realize there are those of us who will fight back, just as our ancestors did 237 years eight months ago when the gun grabbers came to Lexington and Concord to disarm the people.


Good Job!! Kill 'em with facts. Libturd gun grabbers don't know history and believe whatever the media tells them...and cannot rationalize their thought of how ANY gun law will stop a CRIMINAL who, by simple definition, doesn't obey laws.


Good job getting this thread locked.

 

[FXjohn]

Originally Posted By: Robenstein
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Look up the Warsaw Ghetto Revolt. The Jews gave them a [censored] of a run for their money.




no they didn't.

 

[Donald]

Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Donald -

1. Restricting ammo will do nothing...a criminal will steal from the law abiding or just stock up thru time until he has enough.

2. Purchase of 1 gun a month is already law in some areas and wow, just like restricting ammo - criminals will just steal or collect over time.

3. Ban rapid fire assault rifles? Yeah - they already are banned. You cannot just buy a full auto rifle. Well, if you want to go thru the process and pay thousands of dollars for a permit and then $10-15,000 for the weapon. Leave out assault because they is such a media coined term that means nothing. Any tool to commit a crime can be an assault weapon.

4. Background checks on gun show private person sales I have no issue with. Just go to a gun vender, pay his fee and make the sale. Sure, I can see that as a reasonable request.

Lastly - people need to stop blaming the NRA. The NRA is made up of MILLIONS of gun owners - they are OUR voice and we need them to STOP gun grabbing no idea having libturds who act on emotions from these school shootings to ban guns because there are NO facts to support their case.

PERIOD.


So your plan would be to ?? Do nothing? Arm the teachers and principals?

What exactly is your plan to cut down on gun violence since you do not like any of the suggestions I listed?

 

[danthaman1980]

Originally Posted By: Donald
We need to deal with gun violence.


WRONG! We need to deal with VIOLENCE and CRIME.

Sadly, there is little political gain to be had in dealing with violence or crime; apparently the portrayal of violence in TV/movies is an art form, and the crime is always the gun's fault.

 

[Robenstein]

Originally Posted By: FXjohn
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
[
Look up the Warsaw Ghetto Revolt. The Jews gave them a [censored] of a run for their money.




no they didn't.


For a bunch of untrained, malnourished, and poorly equipped people they sure as heck did. It took crack German troops nearly a month to put it down. France barely lasted as long with a real army. It also diverted troops and material from the eastern front that helped hasten the end of the war. Every book I ever read as a history student and later as an instructor hail it as a very brave stand.

If the person needs a better example of an armed populace deterring invasion....look at a map of Nazi Germany at its height and then look at that lonely blank spot called Switzerland. Or in the case of the Japanese...they did not invade the U.S. mainland in part because of our population being well armed. Something about "You cannot invade America. You will find a rifle barrel behind every blade of grass"

 

[Donald]

Originally Posted By: danthaman1980
Originally Posted By: Donald
We need to deal with gun violence.


WRONG! We need to deal with VIOLENCE and CRIME.

Sadly, there is little political gain to be had in dealing with violence or crime; apparently the portrayal of violence in TV/movies is an art form, and the crime is always the gun's fault.


There was a recent incident (might have been outside the US) where someone went on a rampage with a knife and stabbed 20 people. No one died.

So I say VIOLENCE, especially gun violence.

Things would have been way different if the guy had gone into the CT school with a knife or two.

 

[Gabe]

Originally Posted By: GMBoy
gun grabbers don't know history and believe whatever the media tells them...and cannot rationalize their thought of how ANY gun law will stop a CRIMINAL who, by simple definition, doesn't obey laws.


That doesn't mean we need to make it easy for a criminal to get a gun... I want a criminal to have a very difficult time getting a gun.

 

[Robenstein]

Originally Posted By: Donald
Originally Posted By: danthaman1980
Originally Posted By: Donald
We need to deal with gun violence.


WRONG! We need to deal with VIOLENCE and CRIME.

Sadly, there is little political gain to be had in dealing with violence or crime; apparently the portrayal of violence in TV/movies is an art form, and the crime is always the gun's fault.


There was a recent incident (might have been outside the US) where someone went on a rampage with a knife and stabbed 20 people. No one died.

So I say VIOLENCE, especially gun violence.

Things would have been way different if the guy had gone into the CT school with a knife or two.


Red China is where it happened. Again...you cannot put the genie back in the bottle. Comparing a communist nation that disarms its people and puts down demonstrations with tanks and Kalashnikov is not a good parallel. Kind of like comparing an apple to an orange.

A good case to look at is Anders Brevik....lots of gun control in Norway and he used "assault weapons" and an fertilizer bomb on people. Shot about 250....gun control did not stop a tragedy nearly 10x as bad as what occurred friday. Evil will find a way if it wants to.

 

[DBMaster]

Except, that it is about as difficult to obtain a gun illegally as it is to buy pot illegally. I am not even a gun owner, but I agree with the statement that, "If you make guns illegal only criminals will have them."

Remember prohibition and the "war on drugs." Really effective, right?

 

[danthaman1980]

Originally Posted By: Donald
Originally Posted By: danthaman1980
Originally Posted By: Donald
We need to deal with gun violence.


WRONG! We need to deal with VIOLENCE and CRIME.

Sadly, there is little political gain to be had in dealing with violence or crime; apparently the portrayal of violence in TV/movies is an art form, and the crime is always the gun's fault.


There was a recent incident (might have been outside the US) where someone went on a rampage with a knife and stabbed 20 people. No one died.

So I say VIOLENCE, especially gun violence.

Things would have been way different if the guy had gone into the CT school with a knife or two.


You are making a gross assumption there. Didn't I read that, during the incident in CT, all the victims were shot at close range in the head? If that is the case, where do you suppose the perpetrator learned that behavior?

Plenty of people survive gunshot wounds, plenty of people die from knife wounds. We need to deal with the people who learn voilent behavior and and participate in violent crimes.

 

[Gabe]

Originally Posted By: Robenstein
Japanese...they did not invade the U.S. mainland in part because of our population being well armed.


I can honestly say that I did not know that...

 

[hatt]

Originally Posted By: FXjohn


The Nazis walked over whole armies. I doubt if some armed jews would have mattered. stupid argument
And the USA and former USSR could wipe out the entire planet many times over but neither can defeat a small number of half trained and poorly equipped Afghans. Oh, and Vietnam. Defeating standing armies is many times easier than the armed locals.

 

[danthaman1980]

Originally Posted By: Gabe
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
gun grabbers don't know history and believe whatever the media tells them...and cannot rationalize their thought of how ANY gun law will stop a CRIMINAL who, by simple definition, doesn't obey laws.


That doesn't mean we need to make it easy for a criminal to get a gun... I want a criminal to have a very difficult time getting a gun.


I can agree with that - violent criminals should be prohibited from purchasing and owning guns (by the way, they already are). And gun stores should not be allowed to sell guns to violent criminals (by the way, that law is already in place as well). However, I do believe that firearm owners need to be responsible and limit access to their firearms. Kids and mentally ill or unstable individuals should not be able to access firearms in the home.