what does condensation in oil look like?

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Can one physically see condensation in oil? How about in the middle of winter with temperatures as cold as -20C (0F)? The reason I ask is because in my 02 Grand Am with a 3.4L engine I found a lot of white gunk under the oil filler cap. My first thought was it was a coolant leak (these engines are famous for the leak). I went to the dealer yesterday and when I tried to show the service advisor the white gunk I found that most of it was gone (even though it was still there before I left my driveway). My thought at the time is that the engine had plenty of time to fully warm up and maybe you don't see the gunk when it's warm.

Then today I was doing a checkup of fluids on our 99 Olds minivan which has the identical 3.4L engine. I lifted the oil cap and saw the same gunk (although in a smaller quantity). First I was thinking how unlucky is that, but then I remembered that the service advisor suggested that it may be condensation instead of a coolant leak (especially since there was no noticable drop in the coolant level). I went to check the grand am and found that all of that gunk is now gone.

So this brings me to my question: Will condensation show up as a white substance in the engine (especially in the extreme cold)? If so that may explain why it disappeared in the Grand Am.

By the way, the dealership wants me to do an oil change and flush on the Grand Am and wait a week to see if the white stuff comes back before assuming that it is a coolant leak. Also both vehicles have had the lower intake manifold gaskets replaced (the van was done in 2002 and the grand am was done in May 2004).
 
That's exactly what condensation is. I noticed the white gunk under the oil caps on my cars during the recent cold snap we had.

Instaling a winter front on the car will help minimize condensation but it's really nothing to worry about. It'll get burned off eventually.
 
It's a relief hearing that it may be condensation from someone who has no interest in having to do work under warranty. I'm going to look into getting a UOA done to verify if it is coolant or not.
 
Make sure the pcv valve/hoses are all clean and flowing properly. This time of year that moisture is more noticeable in those cooler areas like under the cap, a free flowing pcv system really helps pull those vapors..
 
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Originally posted by oldman:
I use GC 0W30 in my snowblower, seems like the gas mileage went up.
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How do you measure milage in your snowblower, cubic feet/gallon?

Back on topic, I took some digital camera shots of the stuff and will post a link here within a few days when I get a chance.
 
What you're seeing is "white" sludge or mayonnaise due to moisture condensing near cooler areas.

You will also note that varnish tends to collect in cooler areas of the engine such as the valve covers.

I would recommend you go ahead and do a UOA and also check your PCV valve as well for peace of mind.
 
The only time I have seen this white stuff is in my snowthrower's long plastic oil filler neck. I often wondered what this stuff was, now I know. I use Amsoil 5w30 in it, maybe overkill? LOL
 
Here are a few photos of the condensation in my oil. The light coloured stuff on the oil cap and in the oil fill hole are of a greasy consistancy. They would disappear when the car was fully warmed up and return when the weather was colder.

I sent a sample of the oil in for a UOA and will post it when I receive the results.

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My friends 99 Grand AM GT with the 3.4 litre engine does the same exact thing here in Michigan. We change the oil ourselves with Mobil 1, the PCV valve has been replaced. No drop in anti-freeze and the intake gasket was replaced. But still get condensation. No big deal
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The warranty is extended to 6 years and 100k miles
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Still got 1 year and 50k miles. When thats up she is trading it in for a new G6... nice car
 
The best way to look at the oil is to drain it out into a clean pan. If it looks milky you did the right thing, if it isn't milky you didn't do any harm. Otherwise an oil analysis would be okay.

Steve
 
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