What compact car to buy?
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Originally Posted By: donnyj08
Why does the car have to be so narrow?? Will the difference on 1-2" make a difference?
I also can't understand the width requirement.
Hey OP, have you even asked your daughter which car SHE likes?
Why not get the car your daughter will like, so that she will put the extra effort into keeping it in great condition?
BC.
Why does the car have to be so narrow?? Will the difference on 1-2" make a difference?
I also can't understand the width requirement.
Hey OP, have you even asked your daughter which car SHE likes?
Why not get the car your daughter will like, so that she will put the extra effort into keeping it in great condition?
BC.
Originally Posted By: Bladecutter
Originally Posted By: donnyj08
Why does the car have to be so narrow?? Will the difference on 1-2" make a difference?
I also can't understand the width requirement.
Hey OP, have you even asked your daughter which car SHE likes?
Why not get the car your daughter will like, so that she will put the extra effort into keeping it in great condition?
BC.
Unless she buys it with her own money, and sometimes not even then, she isn't going to care about maintaining it.
and the width requirement would be due to a small 3rd car garage space if I had my guess.
Originally Posted By: donnyj08
Why does the car have to be so narrow?? Will the difference on 1-2" make a difference?
I also can't understand the width requirement.
Hey OP, have you even asked your daughter which car SHE likes?
Why not get the car your daughter will like, so that she will put the extra effort into keeping it in great condition?
BC.
Unless she buys it with her own money, and sometimes not even then, she isn't going to care about maintaining it.
and the width requirement would be due to a small 3rd car garage space if I had my guess.
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Originally Posted By: Reggaemon
Audi, Mercedes, ferrari, Porsche...I could go on and on, good cars use disc brakes. Drum brakes are used on cheap cars.
I just don't get why you are so hung up on this. In the category you are looking for (compact) none of the cars are "good" cars and any brakes will be more than adequate.
Audi, Mercedes, ferrari, Porsche...I could go on and on, good cars use disc brakes. Drum brakes are used on cheap cars.
I just don't get why you are so hung up on this. In the category you are looking for (compact) none of the cars are "good" cars and any brakes will be more than adequate.
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If drums are so good why don't they put them on there better cars? No they put them on their cheap cars to keep them cheap.
I have never believed that drum brakes costs them less money than disc brakes in manufacturing. Number of total parts for drum brakes in a typical wheel far exceeds disc brakes. And if they use the screw-in calipers for parking brakes, the part count does not go up for that.
I do understand that when they start doing disk+drum on the rear, the price goes up and then they punt on cheap cars.
If drums are so good why don't they put them on there better cars? No they put them on their cheap cars to keep them cheap.
I have never believed that drum brakes costs them less money than disc brakes in manufacturing. Number of total parts for drum brakes in a typical wheel far exceeds disc brakes. And if they use the screw-in calipers for parking brakes, the part count does not go up for that.
I do understand that when they start doing disk+drum on the rear, the price goes up and then they punt on cheap cars.
Originally Posted By: itguy08
Originally Posted By: Reggaemon
Audi, Mercedes, ferrari, Porsche...I could go on and on, good cars use disc brakes. Drum brakes are used on cheap cars.
I just don't get why you are so hung up on this. In the category you are looking for (compact) none of the cars are "good" cars and any brakes will be more than adequate.
I'm also a little confused. I get it that higher end cars don't come with drum brakes anymore, that's fine. But we could make a pretty substantial list of items that come on Ferraris and Porsches that don't make it on a sub $20k economy car.
If you simply said "I hate changing brake shoes" I could at least understand that. But as far as performance goes rear brake drums work fine on a low power car that doesn't have specific motorsports requirements.
It's your money so buy whatever you want, I just don't understand the reasoning.
Originally Posted By: Reggaemon
Audi, Mercedes, ferrari, Porsche...I could go on and on, good cars use disc brakes. Drum brakes are used on cheap cars.
I just don't get why you are so hung up on this. In the category you are looking for (compact) none of the cars are "good" cars and any brakes will be more than adequate.
I'm also a little confused. I get it that higher end cars don't come with drum brakes anymore, that's fine. But we could make a pretty substantial list of items that come on Ferraris and Porsches that don't make it on a sub $20k economy car.
If you simply said "I hate changing brake shoes" I could at least understand that. But as far as performance goes rear brake drums work fine on a low power car that doesn't have specific motorsports requirements.
It's your money so buy whatever you want, I just don't understand the reasoning.
Originally Posted By: Mykl
Originally Posted By: itguy08
Originally Posted By: Reggaemon
Audi, Mercedes, ferrari, Porsche...I could go on and on, good cars use disc brakes. Drum brakes are used on cheap cars.
I just don't get why you are so hung up on this. In the category you are looking for (compact) none of the cars are "good" cars and any brakes will be more than adequate.
I'm also a little confused. I get it that higher end cars don't come with drum brakes anymore, that's fine. But we could make a pretty substantial list of items that come on Ferraris and Porsches that don't make it on a sub $20k economy car.
If you simply said "I hate changing brake shoes" I could at least understand that. But as far as performance goes rear brake drums work fine on a low power car that doesn't have specific motorsports requirements.
It's your money so buy whatever you want, I just don't understand the reasoning.
The reasoning is simple...I want the best brakes possible on the car I chose...drums on the rear are not that.
Originally Posted By: itguy08
Originally Posted By: Reggaemon
Audi, Mercedes, ferrari, Porsche...I could go on and on, good cars use disc brakes. Drum brakes are used on cheap cars.
I just don't get why you are so hung up on this. In the category you are looking for (compact) none of the cars are "good" cars and any brakes will be more than adequate.
I'm also a little confused. I get it that higher end cars don't come with drum brakes anymore, that's fine. But we could make a pretty substantial list of items that come on Ferraris and Porsches that don't make it on a sub $20k economy car.
If you simply said "I hate changing brake shoes" I could at least understand that. But as far as performance goes rear brake drums work fine on a low power car that doesn't have specific motorsports requirements.
It's your money so buy whatever you want, I just don't understand the reasoning.
The reasoning is simple...I want the best brakes possible on the car I chose...drums on the rear are not that.
I would have thought that the people on this site were car experts...Ha. It was very simple these are the specs what cars fit the specs.
Think of this as a test. Some people got it right but most people respond with their opinions. They don't know the answer so they change the question.
The correct answers were.
1. Mazda 3
2. Hyundai Elantra
3. Kia Rio Hatchback
4. Hyundai Accent Hatchback
5. Subaru Impreza
These cars match the specs in my original post.
I do give credit to the posters that said the Jeep and the Honda Civic. They were close and a good choice.
To all you people that defend drum brakes like you invented them I just don't know what to say. I've been told they are good for trucks and busses. They last for 250,000 miles. They are awesome.
Face the facts , they are not as good as discs. No one has been able put prove that drums are as good or better than discs but that doesn't stop them from telling me how I should buy a car with rear drums.
I just see someone posting how good these drums are then getting into their 1997 Cavalier with the Monster energy sticker in the window and the lime green painted drums driving down to the Mini mart to hang out.
Now to answer the Fiat 500 question. At 139 inches long this is not a sub compact but a micro compact. Its all most two feet shorter than a Ford Fiesta.
Why can't you more inteligent posters realize that the car in question can't have rear drums and move on?
Think of this as a test. Some people got it right but most people respond with their opinions. They don't know the answer so they change the question.
The correct answers were.
1. Mazda 3
2. Hyundai Elantra
3. Kia Rio Hatchback
4. Hyundai Accent Hatchback
5. Subaru Impreza
These cars match the specs in my original post.
I do give credit to the posters that said the Jeep and the Honda Civic. They were close and a good choice.
To all you people that defend drum brakes like you invented them I just don't know what to say. I've been told they are good for trucks and busses. They last for 250,000 miles. They are awesome.
Face the facts , they are not as good as discs. No one has been able put prove that drums are as good or better than discs but that doesn't stop them from telling me how I should buy a car with rear drums.
I just see someone posting how good these drums are then getting into their 1997 Cavalier with the Monster energy sticker in the window and the lime green painted drums driving down to the Mini mart to hang out.
Now to answer the Fiat 500 question. At 139 inches long this is not a sub compact but a micro compact. Its all most two feet shorter than a Ford Fiesta.
Why can't you more inteligent posters realize that the car in question can't have rear drums and move on?
I don't think anybody is screaming that drums are as good as disc brakes (maybe I missed it?), there's a reason they've largely been phased out of normal duty vehicles. What people are saying is that for your expressed need they're plenty adequate. I seriously doubt you could find a single case of an accident that occurred because the rear drum brakes on somebody's Honda Civic failed them in a way that a disc would not have.
Then you go on to insult everybody's intelligence. I'm a little baffled by your behavior.
Then you go on to insult everybody's intelligence. I'm a little baffled by your behavior.
Originally Posted By: Mykl
I don't think anybody is screaming that drums are as good as disc brakes (maybe I missed it?), there's a reason they've largely been phased out of normal duty vehicles. What people are saying is that for your expressed need they're plenty adequate. I seriously doubt you could find a single case of an accident that occurred because the rear drum brakes on somebody's Honda Civic failed them in a way that a disc would not have.
Then you go on to insult everybody's intelligence. I'm a little baffled by your behavior.
If you have read all these posts you will see that I have tried seveal time to move this discussion away from the drum vs disc but people will not let it go. Drums this and drums that. Posters are more concerned with the drums than picking the car. Don't you see this?
I don't think I'm insulting everyones intelligence. How would I be doing that?
Bang the drum...bang the drum...bang the drum
I don't think anybody is screaming that drums are as good as disc brakes (maybe I missed it?), there's a reason they've largely been phased out of normal duty vehicles. What people are saying is that for your expressed need they're plenty adequate. I seriously doubt you could find a single case of an accident that occurred because the rear drum brakes on somebody's Honda Civic failed them in a way that a disc would not have.
Then you go on to insult everybody's intelligence. I'm a little baffled by your behavior.
If you have read all these posts you will see that I have tried seveal time to move this discussion away from the drum vs disc but people will not let it go. Drums this and drums that. Posters are more concerned with the drums than picking the car. Don't you see this?
I don't think I'm insulting everyones intelligence. How would I be doing that?
Bang the drum...bang the drum...bang the drum
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I would have thought that the people on this site were car experts..
We consider ourselves oil experts, not car experts. Finding cars that have specific brakes type and specific width just takes time and research. Anyone can do it if they have the time on their hands. Don't expect people to do it for you or know if off the top of their head.
Originally Posted By: Reggaemon
No one has been able put prove that drums are as good or better than discs but that doesn't stop them from telling me how I should buy a car with rear drums.
It'd be interesting to see stopping distances for the cars on your list vs. similar cars with rear drum brakes like Honda Fit or Nissan Sentra.
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Why can't you more inteligent posters realize that the car in question can't have rear drums and move on?
Any time someone comes up with a condition that seems irrational, chances are it'll get questioned. Such is the nature of a public internet forum. Deal with it.
For the amount of advice you received in this thread, you come across as rather ungrateful.
I would have thought that the people on this site were car experts..
We consider ourselves oil experts, not car experts. Finding cars that have specific brakes type and specific width just takes time and research. Anyone can do it if they have the time on their hands. Don't expect people to do it for you or know if off the top of their head.
Originally Posted By: Reggaemon
No one has been able put prove that drums are as good or better than discs but that doesn't stop them from telling me how I should buy a car with rear drums.
It'd be interesting to see stopping distances for the cars on your list vs. similar cars with rear drum brakes like Honda Fit or Nissan Sentra.
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Why can't you more inteligent posters realize that the car in question can't have rear drums and move on?
Any time someone comes up with a condition that seems irrational, chances are it'll get questioned. Such is the nature of a public internet forum. Deal with it.
For the amount of advice you received in this thread, you come across as rather ungrateful.
Quattro Pete, You have been in this post early and you have must have seen how the drum brakes have been the over riding theme.
I have tried to get posters to move away from the drums but with out success.
Now posters are putting works into my mouth about my expressed interest and how drum brakes would be " adequate' for me.
I never said a had expressed interest. I laid out specs and if people can't figure out what car fills them then?
Why does someone think they are able to tell me that these brakes would be adequate for me. Adequate? I want better than adequate.
I think I expressed my appreciation for the posters who suggested cars that fit or came close to what I was looking for.
But if this thread goes forward I expect someone else will pop up and question why I need discs and just how great drums are.
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I have tried to get posters to move away from the drums but with out success.
Now posters are putting works into my mouth about my expressed interest and how drum brakes would be " adequate' for me.
I never said a had expressed interest. I laid out specs and if people can't figure out what car fills them then?
Why does someone think they are able to tell me that these brakes would be adequate for me. Adequate? I want better than adequate.
I think I expressed my appreciation for the posters who suggested cars that fit or came close to what I was looking for.
But if this thread goes forward I expect someone else will pop up and question why I need discs and just how great drums are.
D
As you have a short list of cars, I'd put it to your daughter to do her own research...
...to balance all the factors that go into buying a car...type and style to fit (form follows function), interior fit, (every body is different, seating IS important), ability to drive it well and safely, (vision outward is as important as its view from outside, handling, control), and how she feels when driving it on the highway as well as in town.
...and with you make a decision for a car she will accept responsibility for...
...to balance all the factors that go into buying a car...type and style to fit (form follows function), interior fit, (every body is different, seating IS important), ability to drive it well and safely, (vision outward is as important as its view from outside, handling, control), and how she feels when driving it on the highway as well as in town.
...and with you make a decision for a car she will accept responsibility for...
Based on your post above, you have 5 cars on your list already. Now, let your daughter decide.
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