what are your thoughts on VW jetta's

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I've owned VW's for years, also Audi's as well. I owned them before I had a significant other and kids. Now its Japanese cars.
I strongly considered a Jetta for my last purchase, but something inside me said to stay away. Instead I bought a Mazda 3. I still love the VW's and Audi's very much, but they always seem to need something. I needed a car that I could turn the key and know it was going to start everytime without any funky german car issues. I love the car. It handles incredible. It accelerates fantastic and has yet to give me a problem at all. In 2.5 years and 26000 miles its been great. I told my wife our next cars were going to be diesel. That means back to a VW. The TDI Jettas and new Golfs are great cars.
 
I had a friend who recently purchased a used Jetta.

He sold a Toyota Tercel with about 30,000 on the odo for a Jetta with 160,000. His reasons... he wanted something fun to drive.

I think he is regretting that decision right about now. The Tercel never gave him any trouble... except it was not fun to drive. He has had a number of issues crop up with the Jetta... and no surprise given the mileage... but I guess it is still fun to drive... WHEN you can drive it.
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Originally Posted By: Paul56


He sold a Toyota Tercel with about 30,000 on the odo for a Jetta with 160,000.

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Even a Toyota with 160k is going to be always needing something.... things wear out at that mileage often. Sheesh!

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Originally Posted By: Vizzy
Originally Posted By: Paul56


He sold a Toyota Tercel with about 30,000 on the odo for a Jetta with 160,000.

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Even a Toyota with 160k is going to be always needing something.... things wear out at that mileage often. Sheesh!

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Vehicles with 160,000 and above don't necessarily always need something... if they do it is because they have been poorly maintained or inherently unreliable to begin with.

I'm not suggesting VWs or the Jetta are unreliable but my friend did do his due diligence before purchasing that vehicle and now has regrets.

I'm merely reporting what happened in his situation.
 
Originally Posted By: Paul56
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Paul56 said:
Vehicles with 160,000 and above don't necessarily always need something... if they do it is because they have been poorly maintained or inherently unreliable to begin with.




I guess I'm thinking about specifically "wear and tear" items. And there are many of them. You can be certain that even on Toyotas and Hondas that ANY rubber parts will be needing replacement fairly soon.

I think you can probably expect reasonably reliable service out of the average modern passneger car for about 150k-200k miles as long as it is reasonably maintained but not much more than that.

You have to rememeber that especially today with complex computer engineered items on cars and elsewhere are very carefully designed for a "service life" and failure can often times be pinned down to within one to three years.
 
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Originally Posted By: XCELERATIONRULES
You can put porsche and audi in the same group.

The group being what? Car makes from Germany?
 
I just don't understand the generalizations around here.


I do believe that the old stereo type about "european cars" is well entrenched in the USA even though for the most part it has been undeserved for decades. The ironic thing is that many of the electrical harnesses and components for German makes come from Asian suppliers.

Not to mention that my family has owned three Honda Accords 94, 00, 86, and all of them have been more troublesome than either of the two VWs I have owned 84 Rabbit GTI, 96 Golf GL, not only that but it has been much cheaper to service the VWs at a decent indy VW shop!!!

If you look at the TSBs for the Hondas they are much more numerous than the VWs on a per car basis, not to mention that the Honda TSBs are more serious overall.

Obviously experiences may vary.
 
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That's enough bashing for now.

I bought my Golf TDI new in 2003. Tomorrow it will roll past 300,000 miles on the odometer. It has been remarkably free of problems. There is a squeaky suspension bushing when I drive slowly over a speed bump, but the body is solid and has no rattles. The engine has considerably more power than when new, yet I can still get 45 mpg when I want and could get 50 if I wanted to drive very slowly.

Not all Volkswagens are unreliable. And, in fact, in some respects they are the best cars for the money that you can buy in the US or Canada.

Onward and upward for another 300k fun miles.
 
Twelve year, unlimited mileage, anti-corrosion warranty. If your VW rusts through, that body panel will be replaced.

Needless to say, VW does not have to cover very many warranty claims for corrosion.

When will Toyota, Honda, Chevy or Ford begin to offer a warranty like that?
 
VW definitely has excelled over most other brands in the US for decades when it comes to rust resistance, which shows an desire for durability. The warranty speaks for itself and has for over a decade now.
 
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Originally Posted By: XCELERATIONRULES
You can put porsche and audi in the same group.

The group being what? Car makes from Germany?



Poor excuse for German engineering.
 
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Duly noted. I'll make sure to keep that in mind next time I see a quality survey with Porsche near the top, or a 911 that is driven daily and raced monthly with little more than basic maintenance to keep it running for years.
 
Consumer Reports? Seriously?


TUV:
http://www.anusedcar.com/index.php/tuv-report-year-age/2007-2-3/18

Click the link down the side and Porsche is consistently in the top 10. Click each car for a detailed ranking.


Edmunds.com:
http://www.edmunds.com/used/2008/porsche/911/100967872/reliability.html

Green check mark for every single year in every single category.


If you like surveys with volunteer bias, read JD Power & Associates. This year Porsche is 11th in terms of 3-year "dependability" and 2nd in terms of "initial quality."


By the way, I never said anything about Honda or Toyota. Feeling a bit threatened, are we?

Nor did I didn't know I owned a $100,000 tin can. I'm fascinated to know where it is, though. Please point me to it!
 
Originally Posted By: Tornado Red
Twelve year, unlimited mileage, anti-corrosion warranty. If your VW rusts through, that body panel will be replaced.

Needless to say, VW does not have to cover very many warranty claims for corrosion.

When will Toyota, Honda, Chevy or Ford begin to offer a warranty like that?


Yes, the car will look good and not rusty in the driveway, where it will sit as some mechanical problem waits to be fixed.
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Yes, I've owned a VW (my wife actually, but I had to deal with the problems). It was a 2000 Beetle. All I can say is for a car that was four years old (when we got it) there was a lot of brittle plastic parts and brittle rubber hoses that left me steaming - literally in one case, as the plastic impeller on the water pump shattered, leading to an overheat. I knew it couldn't be just low on coolant, because I had recently checked the overflow bottle, as the coolant low sensor had failed and was lighting the low coolant light on the dash.

Fortunately, I noticed the engine overheat light because my eyes were always drawn to the dash because the check engine light was on due to a rubber vacuum hose on the fuel pressure regulator that had rotted in half. Also, the engine overheat light had changed from blue to red, which also drew my attention. Why was the blue light (indicating the engine is cold) on even as the engine was overheating? Because the coolant temp sender had failed.

Also fortunate was the fact that there was no one behind me, as the brake switch (which had already been recalled and replaced) had failed again, meaning I had no brake lights. (At some point in the future, the 2nd replacement would fail again, while I was in a car wash and the car was in park. This particular car wash has one putting the vehicle in park and a giant conveyor belt rolls the car along. When the switch fails the interlock does not work, and the car cannot be taken out of park. Imagine the concern of the person in the car behind me, when I did not leave the car wash and their car was still rolling down the conveyor belt)

The overheat wasn't a problem though, because the plastic window regulator had also broken and the window could not go up, so I just cranked the heat up to bleed some heat off the engine, but stayed cool due to the inoperative window.

When the coolant was drained from the engine to fix the water pump, I decided to replace the so called 'heart valve', another plastic part which bolts to the block and has several coolant/heater hoses leading in and out. Somehow the plastic and the o-ring were not sealing properly leading to a minor, but continuous coolant leak.

When we sold the vehicle, the happy new owner went to power down the window (which I will admit had been fixed by VW with metal regulators) and the plastic window switch broke off the door. A few weeks later I got a recall notice in the mail that there was a recall on the brake switch that had already been recalled once - a recall on a recall..hahaha...sent the notice to the new owner.


Anyway, that was just a quick tongue in cheek story to show how reliable my VW was. All those problems happened to me, but not at the same time as the story implies. We had the car for just under two years and 40000km. Also, if you search, you will find that these problems were not unique to me - there were lots of other owners with similar problems - how else did I figure out how to fix them?

I will admit that the car was fun to drive, though - handled like a little go-kart.
 
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I never had the window problem, or at least not yet.

When I've had the timing belt replaced, I insisted on a water pump with a metal impeller. So you can correctly assume that the work was not done at a VW dealership. One should not rely on dealerships after the warranty period. I'll bet your VW had so many unrepaired problems because you had a bad dealership experience, or because getting one problem fixed cost you so much that you couldn't afford to deal with the other problems.

The brake interlock switch can be jury rigged, not sure if you need more than a screwdriver. Again, it's not a problem I've encountered.
 
Originally Posted By: Tornado Red
I never had the window problem, or at least not yet.

When I've had the timing belt replaced, I insisted on a water pump with a metal impeller. So you can correctly assume that the work was not done at a VW dealership. One should not rely on dealerships after the warranty period. I'll bet your VW had so many unrepaired problems because you had a bad dealership experience, or because getting one problem fixed cost you so much that you couldn't afford to deal with the other problems.

The brake interlock switch can be jury rigged, not sure if you need more than a screwdriver. Again, it's not a problem I've encountered.



No, that was the original waterpump that went (at about 70000 KILOMETRES). I replaced it with a metal impeller water pump to avoid the same thing happening with the [censored] OE plastic part.

No, those problems were not "unrepaired problems" - they were problems that appeared over the course of two years and 40000 KM. Each problem was fixed as it happened - they had to be so I could drive the car.

How sweet of you to assume that I could not afford to repair the vehicle and this lead to other problems. You're sadly mistaken though - firstly, the vehicle had these problems because it was unreliable/poorly engineered/made of cheap plastic parts - maintenance had nothing to do with it. Secondly, I don't have a problem performing maintenance, or paying for it when it's beyond my skill (like the water pump/timing belt - all other repairs I did myself or, in the case of the regulators, were covered under warranty.

I should not have to 'jury rig' a brake switch. That would be akin to jury rigging a pacemaker or something. The [censored] switch should work - being able to move the tranny out of park and being able to indicate one's intention to stop a vehicle is not something I would like to 'jury rig'.

I should have mentioned that we had the vehicle from 50000 KM to 90000KM.
 
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