What are new autos coming with?

[Sayjac]

Originally Posted By: Bladecutter
Originally Posted By: sayjac

Also having to walk in front or back of ones vehicle increases the chances of being hit by an unobservant driver at the pumps.


Really?

When was the last time you were hit by an unobservant driver in a gas station? Are you sure you weren't also unobservant at that moment in time to not notice a car coming at you?

BC.
So you're disputing having to walk in front or back of ones car at the pumps, instead of staying on the drivers side to fill doesn't increase the chance of being hit by an unobservant driver? Really? Common sense.

Did I say 'I' have been hit? Are you sure that's what I wrote?

Proof that common sense is not so common. Besides, unlike cartridge filters, haven't noticed passenger side filler to be an increasing trend.

 

[Texan4Life]

Originally Posted By: edhackett
Funny how everything new is old. My 1959 Alfa Romeo had a full flow cartridge filter. My 1941 John Deere has a full flow cartridge filter.

Ed


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My dad talks about how nice it was when everything started being switched over to spin on.

 

[steve20]

Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: zyxelenator

The Germans love cartridge filters.
and gas spout on the passenger side



at least someone is doing it right

 

[T-Keith]

My 88 Grand am, had the "in pan" cartridge filter that many people despise. Personally I like them, they were cheaper and made things quicker since you just pulled it out and pushed the new one in.

The newer style GM cartridge filters are nice to replace, they are up top and the oil drains out when you change it. Why they are more expensive is probably just because they are new and the machines making them are not 30 years old like the ones making the old "cans".

One thing that worries me is the opportunity for "mechanics" to damage things. The cover on these seems like something that will get overtightened or cross threaded easily. Considering the amount of oil filters I've had to remove with a screwdriver or even a chisel, I hate to be buying a $30 part when this happens.

I like the drivers side gas door myself, but it seems like a silly reason to not buy a car, ditto on the oil filter.

 

[johnachak]

Originally Posted By: Robenstein
I like spin on filters. On some engines its nice to be able to use an oversized filter to add some extra media area as well as oil capacity.


On my GM's the cartridge filter is on the top and accessible. I don't need a bigger filter because I can change the filter in the middle of the OCI on both cars. During the winter it is nice to be able to use my oil extractor and to change the filter from the top no matter how bad the ground is.

 

[johnachak]

Ed[/quote]

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My dad talks about how nice it was when everything started being switched over to spin on. [/quote]

The old cartridges were in a removable canister under the engine which had to be unbolted (usually one bolt through the middle) and cleaned out prior to installing the new cartridge. What a pain. The new GM ones actually come out in the cap when you unscrew it. Pull the old one off the cap, put the new one in and tighten. Easy and neat. I hate it now when I have to remove a filter from underneath.

 

[OVERKILL]

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Originally Posted By: johnachak

Ed


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My dad talks about how nice it was when everything started being switched over to spin on.


The old cartridges were in a removable canister under the engine which had to be unbolted (usually one bolt through the middle) and cleaned out prior to installing the new cartridge. What a pain. The new GM ones actually come out in the cap when you unscrew it. Pull the old one off the cap, put the new one in and tighten. Easy and neat. I hate it now when I have to remove a filter from underneath.


Yes. The "new" GM ones are how the German ones have been for ages. It is a very pleasant experience to do an oil change with this setup, as I recently found out when I bought my first German car.

 

[The Critic]

Originally Posted By: T-Keith
Considering the amount of oil filters I've had to remove with a screwdriver or even a chisel, I hate to be buying a $30 part when this happens.



On the VW 2.0T FSI engines, the cartridge cap is $85.

 

[johnachak]

For the Chevy, the cap and filter can be bought together as a single part number (original Delco pf458g, without the cap it's pf457g). I got it with the cap for $13 on Rockauto.com

 

[artificialist]

On some cartridge filters, there aren't really wrench flats, or flutes for oil filter sockets. Other times they get so stuck that oil filter sockets can't grip. You sometimes have no option but to twist them with oil filter pliers. Many V6 Hyundai engines, 4 cylinder Toyota engines, and 5 cylinder Volvo engines have this problem.

 

[johnachak]

Originally Posted By: artificialist
On some cartridge filters, there aren't really wrench flats, or flutes for oil filter sockets. Other times they get so stuck that oil filter sockets can't grip. You sometimes have no option but to twist them with oil filter pliers. Many V6 Hyundai engines, 4 cylinder Toyota engines, and 5 cylinder Volvo engines have this problem.


Not the problem here. Amazon.com sells the proper socket for the cap for around $7 + shipping. Lisle makes a low profile, thin wall socket for it with a 3/8" hole for the ratchet. Otherwise it's a 32mm socket.
Makes you glad its American rather than the problems listed above, eh?

 

[DirtyApe]

Originally Posted By: tpitcher
I like the spin-on filters.

I will not buy a new car that has a cartridge filter or if the gas spout on the passenger side.

 

[DirtyApe]

Originally Posted By: tpitcher
I like the spin-on filters.

I will not buy a new car that has a cartridge filter or if the gas spout on the passenger side.



The spout might be more of what you stick INTO the fuel filler hole/port. It's ok we know what you meant to say.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: johnachak
Originally Posted By: artificialist
On some cartridge filters, there aren't really wrench flats, or flutes for oil filter sockets. Other times they get so stuck that oil filter sockets can't grip. You sometimes have no option but to twist them with oil filter pliers. Many V6 Hyundai engines, 4 cylinder Toyota engines, and 5 cylinder Volvo engines have this problem.


Not the problem here. Amazon.com sells the proper socket for the cap for around $7 + shipping. Lisle makes a low profile, thin wall socket for it with a 3/8" hole for the ratchet. Otherwise it's a 32mm socket.
Makes you glad its American rather than the problems listed above, eh?


That is how BMW is as well:

 

[exranger06]

I think the only people complaining about cartridge filters and how they prefer spin-on filters are the ones who have never changed a modern cartridge filter, and only remember the old cartridge filters from the 1960s. Change a filter on a modern BMW or Ecotec and you'll WISH all of your vehicles had cartridge filters like those. I know I do. I've changed a cartidge filter on a 1967 Corvette before too so I know what a pain those old style filters are like. These new cartridges are NOTHING like those.

The order of preference for me (from most preferable to least) goes like this: modern cartridge > spin-on > old-style cartridge

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: exranger06
I think the only people complaining about cartridge filters and how they prefer spin-on filters are the ones who have never changed a modern cartridge filter, and only remember the old cartridge filters from the 1960s.


Last time I changed a cartridge filter was years ago on a 1951 Chev truck. It was a bit messy, but there was more than enough room to work, at least. I've seen spin ons that created much more mess than that.

 

[DavidZ28]

Originally Posted By: exranger06
I think the only people complaining about cartridge filters and how they prefer spin-on filters are the ones who have never changed a modern cartridge filter, and only remember the old cartridge filters from the 1960s. Change a filter on a modern BMW or Ecotec and you'll WISH all of your vehicles had cartridge filters like those. I know I do. I've changed a cartidge filter on a 1967 Corvette before too so I know what a pain those old style filters are like. These new cartridges are NOTHING like those.


I changed my first cartridge filter about a month ago on a Cobalt. Yes it was easier but it didn't change my mind, I still prefer the spin-on oil filter.