Just removed a PL34631 3710 miles 2 yr 4 months old, 10w30 M1. It crushed during removal, it was real tight even though I had put it on by hand and oiled. Anyway I have noticed these orange gaskets seem to be real tight on removal. They seem a lot tighter than the old school black gaskets, or at least it seems that way to me. Or maybe because I can grip the rough can so much better I may be over tightening them. One other thing in this waste of time post, the harbor freight muffler tubing cutter would not cut it, the filter was too big and only the front two rollers touched and no way to get the thing to tighten down on it without breaking the tool. This filter is same size as Fram PH5. Thought about the sawsall but after crushing it I'm not sure what I would have seen anyway. I would probably only have pics of my cut off fingers LOL... I was going to put on a Fram XG5 but none in town and I had another 2014 PL34631 so that's what I put on. I will be ordering a XG5 for the next time.
Wanted to cut it open but!
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it crushed during removal? purolaters are pretty thin but i dont know if the fram you want to use is any thicker.
Those tightening instructions are odd. I think mine said 3/4-1 turn after gasket setting, but after 1/4 turn it was quite tight. I used to keep them loose enough so that i could get to them by hand, but now that it leaked a little oil at 1/2 turn, i may have to start getting them as tight as possible by hand and just rely on my filter wrench when the time comes.
Im not sure what is different, the car or the filter.
Im not sure what is different, the car or the filter.
Did you double check that the filter is the actual one for your car? It shouldn't leak if tighten by hand unless you got a bad one
yes I was as far up the filter as the clearance would allow, about 2/3 to 3/4 of the way to the thread end. It was tight, and I mean tight. I know the closer to the threads the better, thanks though. Webfors OMG your addicted to pictures, noting to see, I mean really whats to see except can is thin, you could see outline of pleats through part of the crushed can. Oh I guess there was something to see but its long gone. The whole point of the post was those filters seem really tight when put on by the instructions and the muffler tubing cutter was advertised to cut that big but it won't. I find the smaller PL1s tight also but they don't seem to crush as bad. And mjoekingz28 I agree when I tried to go a little looser I had leaks on some as well. So I am with you tight by hand, then use a wrench to get them off.
Or maybe you forgot to oil it
Also in regards to the picture, u know what they say "Pics or it didn't happen"!
Also in regards to the picture, u know what they say "Pics or it didn't happen"!
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
it crushed during removal? purolaters are pretty thin but i dont know if the fram you want to use is any thicker.
Uhh yeah the Ultra is thicker than the Purolator.
it crushed during removal? purolaters are pretty thin but i dont know if the fram you want to use is any thicker.
Uhh yeah the Ultra is thicker than the Purolator.
Originally Posted By: Skanky
Crushed because it was too tight...
Yep, that's what it reads like to me. And/or gasket not prelubricated with a layer of oil.
Fwiw, I've removed more than a dozen P1's and similar variants like AAP Total Grip since joining this site and never had a crushed can with filter removal. Ime, textured surface makes hand tightening following the best practice 2/3-3/4 turn after gasket contact very easy. Removal is similarly easy though if engine still hot/warm, cap wrench may be needed to start.
As for the HF cutter, only rated to ~3&1/4" max dia. which fits many filters these days. Looks like said 34631 is ~1/2" too big, so not surprising you only got two wheels on it. You need something like the Jegs cutter for ~$39 if you want to use a dedicated cutter.
Sorry it didn't work out, but it was learning experience.
Crushed because it was too tight...
Yep, that's what it reads like to me. And/or gasket not prelubricated with a layer of oil.
Fwiw, I've removed more than a dozen P1's and similar variants like AAP Total Grip since joining this site and never had a crushed can with filter removal. Ime, textured surface makes hand tightening following the best practice 2/3-3/4 turn after gasket contact very easy. Removal is similarly easy though if engine still hot/warm, cap wrench may be needed to start.
As for the HF cutter, only rated to ~3&1/4" max dia. which fits many filters these days. Looks like said 34631 is ~1/2" too big, so not surprising you only got two wheels on it. You need something like the Jegs cutter for ~$39 if you want to use a dedicated cutter.
Sorry it didn't work out, but it was learning experience.
It was oiled and when I leak check I always have to wipe off the residual from the gasket first. I service 6 vehicle with these, I have done over a dozen in just the last two years let alone how many filters in the last 45 years. The orange gaskets seem to have a harder durometer and some leak if not tight enough in my experience but this is the first one that has crushed, maybe because it was on so long. I have never had black gaskets get this stuck and never had them leak but I have had 3-4 of these PL1s leak and had to tighten them more. Then they were pretty tight to remove. It's just my observation that the PL1 gaskets act different than the black ones. As for the cutter ya filter was too big for cutter NS, even though the add said 3 1/2" now the add is gone from their website and I found some E-bay adds that looks the same that said 3 1/4". I only have one vehicle this big so not going to worry about it. My luck next one will just crush anyway.
Originally Posted By: sayjac
You need something like the Jegs cutter for ~$39 if you want to use a dedicated cutter.
Looks just like the Summit cutter, which isn't good for small diameter filters. The filter will contact the cross-bar between the two roller wheels before it contacts the two roller wheels. The HF exhaust cutter is good for small filters.
You need something like the Jegs cutter for ~$39 if you want to use a dedicated cutter.
Looks just like the Summit cutter, which isn't good for small diameter filters. The filter will contact the cross-bar between the two roller wheels before it contacts the two roller wheels. The HF exhaust cutter is good for small filters.
ya doesn't look to promising on the small ones. The exhaust cuter worked fine on the smaller ones anyway. I do like the Longacre 77750 Oil Filter Cutter Tool and may hand over $56 to E-bay for one now that amazon is charging tax in WA, makes E-bay is less.
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lol. As I thought clearly noted, the referenced Jegs cutter was recommended as an 'example' of a dedicated cutter that could specifically handle the 3.78" diameter of said 34681 which is ~1/2" too big for the HF cutter.
I believe the Jegs is the same as the Summit including the price. However, the Jegs was linked because unlike the Summit, shipping and handling are free.
Since the OP mentioned he already owns the HF exhaust cutter for smaller diameter filter, the added Jegs would complete any larger applications needed like said 34681. Owning both the HF cutter and the Summit cutter that's how I do it.
And while smaller diameter filters don't hit the guide roller wheels (as I've noted in the past), the Summit cutter will still cut them, just not as smoothly. But, the HF exhaust cutter should/would easily handle those.
I believe the Jegs is the same as the Summit including the price. However, the Jegs was linked because unlike the Summit, shipping and handling are free.
Since the OP mentioned he already owns the HF exhaust cutter for smaller diameter filter, the added Jegs would complete any larger applications needed like said 34681. Owning both the HF cutter and the Summit cutter that's how I do it.
And while smaller diameter filters don't hit the guide roller wheels (as I've noted in the past), the Summit cutter will still cut them, just not as smoothly. But, the HF exhaust cutter should/would easily handle those.
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ya you were clear guess I was not. If I am going to spend 60+ or - on a cutter I want it to do everything I own or plan to own. Yes I would keep using the exhaust cutter until it fails, it is not very high quality so I doubt it will last a long time so the one that would be used next would be a dedicated cutter. And Sayjac you have ben helpful if not obvious, and Stewie, really wrong filter, no oil, sounds like your speaking from experience LOL...
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