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Or at least they should have replaced it with Ephesian leather. 

Pinto? Chevette? Citation? Tempo?Please remember the era of Dodge Omnis, KCars, “Fuselage Bodied” full size cars, et al.
This was just a bad era for lots of cars. I also remember how Toyota pick ups with the two piece beds rusted out profusely. Toyota tried adding seam sealer between the panels but that seemed to only speed up the process. Also Datsun B210s had rust perforation in the tops of the fenders usually within 2 years.Pinto? Chevette? Citation? Tempo?
Dat-soon?This was just a bad era for lots of cars. I also remember how Toyota pick ups with the two piece beds rusted out profusely. Toyota tried adding seam sealer between the panels but that seemed to only speed up the process. Also Datsun B210s had rust perforation in the tops of the fenders usually within 2 years.
He's specifically talking about the Chrysler nameplate (which only has two vehicles), not "Chrysler" the company, which is Jeep/Dodge/RAM/Chrysler and now part of Stellantis. Whether the Chrysler brand disappears or not (his concern) is not of much consequence to the future of the group, since it constitutes such a tiny segment.Chrysler has never been a top tier brand. They have had a few successes over the years, but overall their vehicles have always been considered to be of poor quality.
It will take new management and another success like the "K" car to keep them from going under.
Rode in one today - better than the Kia vans it replaced …He's specifically talking about the Chrysler nameplate (which only has two vehicles), not "Chrysler" the company, which is Jeep/Dodge/RAM/Chrysler and now part of Stellantis. Whether the Chrysler brand disappears or not (his concern) is not of much consequence to the future of the group, since it constitutes such a tiny segment.
"Management" in this context is Stellantis, the parent for many other marques mentioned in this thread, including Peugeot, Citroen, Lancia, Maserati, Opel, Vauxhall and Alfa Romeo.
The problem is that the Chrysler brand has been neglected while the focus has been on Jeep/Dodge/RAM, who all have popular products. Chrysler's only "current" offering, of the whopping two under the nameplate, is the Pacifica.
What "Chrysler" branded product has been a top tier product in the last say 30 years?He's specifically talking about the Chrysler nameplate (which only has two vehicles), not "Chrysler" the company, which is Jeep/Dodge/RAM/Chrysler and now part of Stellantis. Whether the Chrysler brand disappears or not (his concern) is not of much consequence to the future of the group, since it constitutes such a tiny segment.
"Management" in this context is Stellantis, the parent for many other marques mentioned in this thread, including Peugeot, Citroen, Lancia, Maserati, Opel, Vauxhall and Alfa Romeo.
The problem is that the Chrysler brand has been neglected while the focus has been on Jeep/Dodge/RAM, who all have popular products. Chrysler's only "current" offering, of the whopping two under the nameplate, is the Pacifica.
That's exactly it, what products over the last 20 years do we remember being featured under the Chrysler marque?What "Chrysler" branded product has been a top tier product in the last say 30 years?
The 300 was OK but I wouldn't call it top tier by any stretch. I can't even really think of another one. My parents had a New Yorker in probably the late 80's. Dad got it used cheap. Ran OK but really didn't compare to the Ford / Chevy offerings of the time luxury wise.
I think this ship sailed a long time ago and has very little to do with Stellantis. They should have kept the mini-van a dodge and quit the "Chrysler" nameplate long ago.
Yeah, I've been in one a pile of times as my dealership uses one for the shuttle, which I take if I don't need a loaner. It's a nice van, definitely much nicer than the last Sienna I was in, but that was several years ago now.Rode in one today - better than the Kia vans it replaced …
(Driven around - we don’t drive here) …
I agree 100%! This definition is elusive and has multiple meanings to several people. It may be defined by a price point, or reputation, or some other bravado description. Whatever it is the definition differs among many consumers.Define top tier. What makes a car top tier? Is it comfort? Fuel economy for its class? Is it styling? Is it handling?
According to Stellantis from I think Jalopnik this morning that none of their brands are for sale. This seems odd as they don't seem to be in doing anything with Chrysler.I think some brands at a minimum in that group for sure
Your at or near the top in sales volume for that segment. OEM's make money when they sell product. Thats how business works and how top tier brands / products are determined in the business world.Define top tier. What makes a car top tier? Is it comfort? Fuel economy for its class? Is it styling? Is it handling?
Fixed:Chrysler has been going down for many many years...
Minivan sales are less profitable and down considerably. People buy SUVs and FCA offers hot garbage in smaller sizes like Dodge Hornet , Jeep Compass etc while profitable sales leaders like CRV and RAV4 demolish them.I think the FCA leadership made a big mistake in killing the 5th-gen Dodge Grand Caravan, and replacing it with the much pricier Chrysler Pacifica. The DGC tooling and design had long ago been amortized, so they could sell them at a very competitive price and still make money. They are still very common here, whereas it's a novelty to see a Pacifica.