VW Oil Help, Again

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
not making a special trip to prove something I saw with my own eyes.

I'm not expecting you to. I said it half jokingly. But on the other hand, if true, this is something that no one has ever seen on BITOG yet.

 

[dparm]

I don't think the factory fill was Castrol Edge 5w40. It was likely Castrol Edge Professional OE 5w30. VAG also uses Fuchs as FF in some cars.

You need to ignore what that service guy said. Many service writers really don't know much about cars and are basically just middlemen/cashiers. You've been on this site long enough to know better.

I don't agree with their 10k interval either. Until the warranty is up, just let them put the Castrol in every 10k. Change it inbetween with whatever you want -- I see no need to spend extra money to provide your own oil when they're doing it gratis.

 

[Jeffs2006EvoIX]

Thanks everyone for your input. this site can get overwhelming. I consider myself a auto enthusiasts but some folks on this site are just so scientific that they cab loose people real easily.

After further reading there is a suggestion that too frequent oil changes may contribute to the carbon on the valves.

The thing that gets me is in EU they don't have this problem and that puzzles me. It's just from posts from folks in Germany that have GTI's and reporting no issues at all and were actually on disbelieve to hear of this issue.

This makes me believe it's the gas, oil and driving differences, along with emission differences that must be the culprit. I mean wwhat else could it be?

And Pete I know you were not 100% serious but I will get a photo for you because I'm a man of my word. For some that still means something.

I will keep researching but if anyone wants to chime in please do.

Jeff

 

[Jeffs2006EvoIX]

I just figured it would be factory full since the oil cap says Castrol on it. The VW dealership told me it was factory fill as well. I just didn't know which weight.

Would love to runa 30w to get better economy but I'm afraid of the oil shear rate even though most EU 30w tend to be on the heavy side the 40w just gives me more room for error.

Jeff

 

[dparm]

Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
I just figured it would be factory full since the oil cap says Castrol on it. The VW dealership told me it was factory fill as well. I just didn't know which weight.

Would love to runa 30w to get better economy but I'm afraid of the oil shear rate even though most EU 30w tend to be on the heavy side the 40w just gives me more room for error.

Jeff



You're overthinking it, and you need to look at HTHS anyways. You can get Castrol Edge 0w30 with HTHS of 3.6, or Liqui-Moly Synthoil Energy 0w40...also HTHS of 3.6.

Unless that motor is tuned to make tons more power than stock, anything from the VW 502 00 list will work very well.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: dparm
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
I just figured it would be factory full since the oil cap says Castrol on it. The VW dealership told me it was factory fill as well. I just didn't know which weight.

Would love to runa 30w to get better economy but I'm afraid of the oil shear rate even though most EU 30w tend to be on the heavy side the 40w just gives me more room for error.

Jeff



You're overthinking it, and you need to look at HTHS anyways. You can get Castrol Edge 0w30 with HTHS of 3.6, or Liqui-Moly Synthoil Energy 0w40...also HTHS of 3.6.

Unless that motor is tuned to make tons more power than stock, anything from the VW 502 00 list will work very well.

Exactly, HTHS is most important with low NOACK!

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: edyvw
Yep, CA def. has much better gas the rest of states. Though, it is not on par with EU gas. Do not forget, EU gas is much cleaner and has higher energy value due to the fact that it does not have ethanol in it. Also, octane rating is min 95, allowing higher comprasion ratios, cleaner burning and more efficient utilization of gas.


Is it all ethanol blended in your state, or are there other options? Obviously, the cleaner the fuel, the easier it is for one to use a low SAPS oil without having to do an OCI ridiculously early.

 

[Finklejag]

2010 GTI here. I have 35,000 miles on my car. I just did a oil change 2 days ago. I should have the UOA results back today or tomorrow. I used Mobil 1 0W-40. I have Mobil 1 0W-40 in the crankcase again, $22.47 for 5 quarts. No brain-er.

I have used Red line 5W-40, Chevron Synthetic 5W-40, Havoline Synthetic 5W-40. Castrol Syntec 5W-40. It you plan to keep the car past 50K. You are going to need to clean the intake valves. Plain and simple.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Yep, CA def. has much better gas the rest of states. Though, it is not on par with EU gas. Do not forget, EU gas is much cleaner and has higher energy value due to the fact that it does not have ethanol in it. Also, octane rating is min 95, allowing higher comprasion ratios, cleaner burning and more efficient utilization of gas.


Is it all ethanol blended in your state, or are there other options? Obviously, the cleaner the fuel, the easier it is for one to use a low SAPS oil without having to do an OCI ridiculously early.

Cannot remember when wa slast time I sa wgas station that does not use ethanol.

 

[Finklejag]

I posted my UOA today.

 

[dparm]

Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Yep, CA def. has much better gas the rest of states. Though, it is not on par with EU gas. Do not forget, EU gas is much cleaner and has higher energy value due to the fact that it does not have ethanol in it. Also, octane rating is min 95, allowing higher comprasion ratios, cleaner burning and more efficient utilization of gas.


Is it all ethanol blended in your state, or are there other options? Obviously, the cleaner the fuel, the easier it is for one to use a low SAPS oil without having to do an OCI ridiculously early.

Cannot remember when wa slast time I sa wgas station that does not use ethanol.


pure-gas.org

More common in rural areas.



OP:

Here is a UOA of a GTI on M1 0w40, 5k interval.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/mobil-1-0w-40-5-000-miles-2010-vw-gti.201622/

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: edyvw
Cannot remember when wa slast time I sa wgas station that does not use ethanol.

Up here we can get the premium in ethanol free, but we don't get California's low sulphur levels, either.

 

[Jeffs2006EvoIX]

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete

The "Euro" Castrol 0w30 here in my local store says "Made in England" on the bottle,

Huh? That's a first. Pics or it didn't happen.

Here you go Pete as promised:

]Castrol 0w30 from England[/url]

]Castrol 0w30[/url]

Here is the 5w40 and its from Canada

]Castrol 5w40[/url]

]Castrol 5w40[/url]

Now who is to know if the formulas are the same as they are in Germany. Part of me doubts it. I do think it is of note that the 0w30 meets MB 295.5 where as the 5w40 does not.

So should I ditch the M1 0w40 from wallyworld for $22 for 5qts or buy the English Made 0w30 for $9 a qt and have the dealer put it in?? I may be able to get the Castrol on sale but who knows when that will be.

Question is, is it the same Oil? Its not made in Germany anymore...


Jeff

 

[Jeffs2006EvoIX]

Originally Posted By: Inliner
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
I dont think there is that mutch blow by or our compression would be on the low side. I think its just this engine was not meant to be used in the US market. In EU these problems do not exist. So it must have something to do with either our Gas quality, our Oil availability, Driving habits, or a combo of all 3.
Jeff


I hope you didn't take my valve seal question and relate it to compression. Valve seals would have no bearing on leak-down or compression figures.

I'd like to know more about the Rest of World crowd not experiencing deposits. Source?

And I still fail to see how our fuel affects affects this. First off, as you said, this is a DI engine. Second, you'd see this in more than just TSI motors.



The Source is the MK6 Forums from Germany, I can cut and paste to my hearts content, much easier for you to do the search yourself. Would not post it if I had not read it. I guess a mans word means nothing anymore.

Jeff

 

[Jeffs2006EvoIX]

Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Yep, CA def. has much better gas the rest of states. Though, it is not on par with EU gas. Do not forget, EU gas is much cleaner and has higher energy value due to the fact that it does not have ethanol in it. Also, octane rating is min 95, allowing higher comprasion ratios, cleaner burning and more efficient utilization of gas.


Is it all ethanol blended in your state, or are there other options? Obviously, the cleaner the fuel, the easier it is for one to use a low SAPS oil without having to do an OCI ridiculously early.


Everything in California has Ethanol some more than others. Most is at least 10%. During Winter and Summer they change the blend, Winter has less than Summer. I think summer its around 15% but I cant prove it. I dont think I want to spend the money on testing the gas.

Jeff

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete

The "Euro" Castrol 0w30 here in my local store says "Made in England" on the bottle,

Huh? That's a first. Pics or it didn't happen.

Here you go Pete as promised:

]Castrol 0w30 from England[/url]

]Castrol 0w30[/url]

Here is the 5w40 and its from Canada

]Castrol 5w40[/url]

]Castrol 5w40[/url]

Now who is to know if the formulas are the same as they are in Germany. Part of me doubts it. I do think it is of note that the 0w30 meets MB 295.5 where as the 5w40 does not.

So should I ditch the M1 0w40 from wallyworld for $22 for 5qts or buy the English Made 0w30 for $9 a qt and have the dealer put it in?? I may be able to get the Castrol on sale but who knows when that will be.

Question is, is it the same Oil? Its not made in Germany anymore...


Jeff



The "made in" is above the barcode. The 0w-30 has the beginning of "Germany" there, whilst the second one appears to have U.S.A.

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete

The "Euro" Castrol 0w30 here in my local store says "Made in England" on the bottle,

Huh? That's a first. Pics or it didn't happen.

Here you go Pete as promised:


Thanks, but it still says "Made in Germany". Scroll a little more to the right next time.

 

[Jeffs2006EvoIX]

Indeed it does I was simply looking in the wrong place.

So would this be better to use than the M1 0w40? While I was at the store I saw the M1 ESP 5W40. Maybe for my TSI engine it would be a good choice though is not VW approved.

Jeff

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Indeed it does I was simply looking in the wrong place.

So would this be better to use than the M1 0w40? While I was at the store I saw the M1 ESP 5W40. Maybe for my TSI engine it would be a good choice though is not VW approved.

Jeff


Define "better" ? GC has proven to be a shear-stable lubricant and has performed well in application from what I've heard. However, M1 0w-40 is a more modern, high VI formula that in its current SN iteration is also proving to be a shear stable and excellent performing product.

 

[Jeffs2006EvoIX]

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Indeed it does I was simply looking in the wrong place.

So would this be better to use than the M1 0w40? While I was at the store I saw the M1 ESP 5W40. Maybe for my TSI engine it would be a good choice though is not VW approved.

Jeff


Define "better" ? GC has proven to be a shear-stable lubricant and has performed well in application from what I've heard. However, M1 0w-40 is a more modern, high VI formula that in its current SN iteration is also proving to be a shear stable and excellent performing product.


Better as is ability to stable over its use. I have M1 in my car now and will see.i do know PU 5w40 sheared to a 30w in 3000 miles will see if the M1 does the same thing. if it does I might as well usea 30w that at least stays consistent throughout its use.. Or are we assuming the M1 is VI and is a better choice because of that. Do we even know if M1 is still VI after its reformulation?

Jeff