VW 508 Spec-0w20

[weasley]

Originally Posted by badtlc
Originally Posted by weasley
Originally Posted by badtlc
Originally Posted by superangrypenguin
That said, it seems like buying Castrol Professional LL IV FE is the only way to go.


Interesting as this is the exact oil my local Mazda dealership has used since 2011 or so. Green 0W-20 Castrol professional LL FE.


The details are important. The Longlife IV spec (VW 508 00/509 00) is only a couple of years old so nothing was being sold for it in 2011.


I would bet money VW wrote the spec around the oil. The oil hasn't changed.


Oils are developed to meet specs. Sometimes the oil developer and the OEM work together, sometimes the OEM goes it alone. I've never known a new spec to be written around an existant oil.
The LL IV oil you mention post-dates 2011 by some margin. Which oil do you mean by "Castrol Professional LL FE", because that specific name never existed... there are some details missing.

 

[badtlc]

Originally Posted by weasley

Oils are developed to meet specs. Sometimes the oil developer and the OEM work together, sometimes the OEM goes it alone. I've never known a new spec to be written around an existant oil.
The LL IV oil you mention post-dates 2011 by some margin. Which oil do you mean by "Castrol Professional LL FE", because that specific name never existed... there are some details missing.


I used the oil. It existed and I think I even posted the UOA on my mazda3 in the UOA section with it. It was only available to dealers and that is why the used the green/UV dye. It was marketing hype for dealers so they could easily tell if they were using that oil or not.

 

[Jimmy_Russells]

The Google shows a 0w20 LL IV FE which is the VW one and they also show a Volvo one and then the regular Gold bottle. Can't find a Mazda one.

Edit - Also found a Jag/Land Rover one and another Japanese one but it doesn't say professional on it and comes in a metal can (lol).

 

[TurboZedd-R]

So I picked up my 2019 Gti on December 31st. Ive been trying to educate myself via this forum. What im about to say is not to persuade or justify anything.
The new Gti has the 508/509 oil spec stamped under the hood and in the manaul; The manual also has a section for the Golf R which states use a 502/505.00 spec oil. Both cars use the EA888 and the golf R has an IS38 turbo. So if the 508/509 spec oil is better protection or anything better, it would make sense the R would also require it. The oil is for fuel economy....
The service writers do not know the Gti oil spec has changed. I told my friend who is the service writer at my dealer and he had no idea. I had an oil change at 300 miles to flush out some of the break in metals. I supplied my own liqui moly 5w30 special tec. My service records show an oil change and nothing about oil spec. I personally dont like the DPF oil spec environmental b.s. so I will stick to my 502/505 spec oil. Ill also get some UOA's here soon. Might even do a 504/507 uoa for fun

Cheers!

 

[1JZ_E46]

Originally Posted by ZsGti
So I picked up my 2019 Gti on December 31st. Ive been trying to educate myself via this forum. What im about to say is not to persuade or justify anything.
The new Gti has the 508/509 oil spec stamped under the hood and in the manaul; The manual also has a section for the Golf R which states use a 502/505.00 spec oil. Both cars use the EA888 and the golf R has an IS38 turbo. So if the 508/509 spec oil is better protection or anything better, it would make sense the R would also require it. The oil is for fuel economy....
The service writers do not know the Gti oil spec has changed. I told my friend who is the service writer at my dealer and he had no idea. I had an oil change at 300 miles to flush out some of the break in metals. I supplied my own liqui moly 5w30 special tec. My service records show an oil change and nothing about oil spec. I personally dont like the DPF oil spec environmental b.s. so I will stick to my 502/505 spec oil. Ill also get some UOA's here soon. Might even do a 504/507 uoa for fun

Cheers!


Congrats on the purchase. Nice car! The Golf R spec of 502 further reinforces that the 508 spec sacrifices a little bit of wear protection for fuel economy improvements. Also, 502 is recommended over 504 in the U.S. due to fuel, but that's not really an issue these days. If it we're me, I'd go for 504 if I wasn't concerned about following the owners manual.

 

[weasley]

Originally Posted by badtlc
I used the oil. It existed and I think I even posted the UOA on my mazda3 in the UOA section with it. It was only available to dealers and that is why the used the green/UV dye. It was marketing hype for dealers so they could easily tell if they were using that oil or not.

You are missing some details from the brand name though. It would probably be Castrol EDGE Professional but there would be some other characters in the brand name. The brand name that you wrote ("Castrol Professional LL FE") never existed because there has never been a "Castrol Professional" brand of oil. As I said, details. As I also said, there is no way you used "Castrol EDGE Professional LL IV FE 0W-20" in 2011.

 

[weasley]

Originally Posted by weasley
Originally Posted by badtlc
I used the oil. It existed and I think I even posted the UOA on my mazda3 in the UOA section with it. It was only available to dealers and that is why the used the green/UV dye. It was marketing hype for dealers so they could easily tell if they were using that oil or not.

You are missing some details from the brand name though. It would probably be Castrol EDGE Professional but there would be some other characters in the brand name. The brand name that you wrote ("Castrol Professional LL FE") never existed because there has never been a "Castrol Professional" brand of oil. As I said, details. As I also said, there is no way you used "Castrol EDGE Professional LL IV FE 0W-20" in 2011.

So, are you referring to this UOA from 2013? If so, you describe it there as "Castrol OE 0W-20" - again many details missing but I deduce you possibly mean Castrol EDGE Professional OE 0W-20*. This is a different product from Castrol EDGE Professional LL IV FE 0W-20.

*edit - actually, reading further down the thread you confirm this.

 

[TurboZedd-R]

Thank you! I agree 100%. The 504/507 is a better spec. Some of them have a TBN of ~6 though, so getting routine analysis would help establish a good interval here in the US

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by ZsGti
Thank you! I agree 100%. The 504/507 is a better spec. Some of them have a TBN of ~6 though, so getting routine analysis would help establish a good interval here in the US

Some of them? Point of VW504.00/507.00 is low TBN. It is oil designed for ULSG and ULSD to protect emission system.
One can boost other additives in those oils and still have low SAPS like Amsoil does, but generally you are looking 7 and below.
That should not be concern. Best VW504.00/507.00 IMO was discontinued Mobil1 ESP Formula 5W30 with TBN of 5.6. But retention was extremely good.

 

[1JZ_E46]

I think you can still buy ESP "Formula" 5W-30 (the one in liter bottles). I know it's your precious favorite edyvw (at least half your posts mention it by name), but to ZsGti, any oil with 504/507 approval is darn good and will be fine at regular intervals.

 

[KCJeep]

Originally Posted by ZsGti
So I picked up my 2019 Gti on December 31st. Ive been trying to educate myself via this forum. What im about to say is not to persuade or justify anything.
The new Gti has the 508/509 oil spec stamped under the hood and in the manaul; The manual also has a section for the Golf R which states use a 502/505.00 spec oil. Both cars use the EA888 and the golf R has an IS38 turbo. So if the 508/509 spec oil is better protection or anything better, it would make sense the R would also require it. The oil is for fuel economy....
The service writers do not know the Gti oil spec has changed. I told my friend who is the service writer at my dealer and he had no idea. I had an oil change at 300 miles to flush out some of the break in metals. I supplied my own liqui moly 5w30 special tec. My service records show an oil change and nothing about oil spec. I personally dont like the DPF oil spec environmental b.s. so I will stick to my 502/505 spec oil. Ill also get some UOA's here soon. Might even do a 504/507 uoa for fun

Cheers!


Great post and welcome to the forum. You are clearly "on it" in regards to your GTI.

The standard Passat engine is suddenly VW 508 for the 2018 MY also, and was VW 502 in 2017. The VW 504 oils intrigue me also and I expect I may be experimenting with one eventually.

 

[Kamele0N]

Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
I think you can still buy ESP "Formula" 5W-30 (the one in liter bottles). I know it's your precious favorite edyvw (at least half your posts mention it by name), but to ZsGti, any oil with 504/507 approval is darn good and will be fine at regular intervals.


His favoirite is Valvoline 5w40 MST C3

https://www.valvolineeurope.com/eng...synpower/cid(9498)/synpower_mst_c3_5w-40

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by Kamele0N
Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
I think you can still buy ESP "Formula" 5W-30 (the one in liter bottles). I know it's your precious favorite edyvw (at least half your posts mention it by name), but to ZsGti, any oil with 504/507 approval is darn good and will be fine at regular intervals.


His favoirite is Valvoline 5w40 MST C3

https://www.valvolineeurope.com/eng...synpower/cid(9498)/synpower_mst_c3_5w-40

Nah, I used Valvoline only in one application bcs it was on sale.
By the way, that MST is different from American version. American version is KV100 13.1cst not 14cst.

 

[Skatefast]

My daughter just purchased a 2018 Tiguan MQB with the 2.0TSI engine. Do your research before you switch from the VW 508 / 509 oil spec. If you do some research on LSPI, the wrong oil will increase the propensity for LSPI to occur. The oil formulated to mitigate the LSPI will typically have a reduced level of calcium and an increase in magnesium.
LSPI is a newer phenomenon directly affecting the turbocharged gasoline direct injection engines.

The plan is to do an oil change every 5k miles. I have done only 1 oil change so far on the Tiguan at 5k miles, and used 6 quarts of Driven Racing DI20 oil. This oil is specifically designed for TGDI engines. My plan is to alternate the Driven with the factory VW Castrol oil each oil change. At the 10k oil change, I will use the Factory VW Castrol oil.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by Skatefast
My daughter just purchased a 2018 Tiguan MQB with the 2.0TSI engine. Do your research before you switch from the VW 508 / 509 oil spec. If you do some research on LSPI, the wrong oil will increase the propensity for LSPI to occur. The oil formulated to mitigate the LSPI will typically have a reduced level of calcium and an increase in magnesium.
LSPI is a newer phenomenon directly affecting the turbocharged gasoline direct injection engines.

The plan is to do an oil change every 5k miles. I have done only 1 oil change so far on the Tiguan at 5k miles, and used 6 quarts of Driven Racing DI20 oil. This oil is specifically designed for TGDI engines. My plan is to alternate the Driven with the factory VW Castrol oil each oil change. At the 10k oil change, I will use the Factory VW Castrol oil.

How about you use Castrol 0W40 or Mobil1 0W40?

 

[DuckRyder]

I'm almost scared to bring it up, but:

Has anyone found a list of the officially approved oils on a VW (or Audi) website, I cannot find it and the old link to Audi is dead.

It does appear Ravenol makes an officially approved oil as well.

The 19 Jetta manual specifies:

Quote
If you need to add oil and there is none available that meets the Volkswagen oil quality standard your engine requires, you may add a total of no more than 1/2 quart (0.5 liter) of an engine oil that meets ACEA A3/B4 and API SN specifications and has a viscosity grade of SAE 0W-20.

OR: if there is no oil available that has a viscosity grade of SAE 0W-20, you may add a total of no more than 1/2 quart (0.5 liter) of an engine oil that meets the oil quality standard VW 502 00 or VW 504 00 and has a viscosity grade of SAE 0W-30, SAE 5W-30, or SAE 5W-40.
Using oil with a viscosity grade other than SAE 0W-20 may cause vehicle emissions and fuel consumption to increase slightly. Only use other oils in case of emergency!

Use only an engine oil that expressly complies with the Volkswagen oil quality standard specified for your vehicle's engine. Using any other oil can cause serious engine damage that will not be covered by any Volkswagen Limited Warranty.

Do not mix any lubricants or other additives into the engine oil. Doing so can cause engine damage! Damage caused by these kinds of additives are not covered by any Volkswagen Limited Warranty.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by DuckRyder
I'm almost scared to bring it up, but:

Has anyone found a list of the officially approved oils on a VW (or Audi) website, I cannot find it and the old link to Audi is dead.

It does appear Ravenol makes an officially approved oil as well.

The 19 Jetta manual specifies:

Quote
If you need to add oil and there is none available that meets the Volkswagen oil quality standard your engine requires, you may add a total of no more than 1/2 quart (0.5 liter) of an engine oil that meets ACEA A3/B4 and API SN specifications and has a viscosity grade of SAE 0W-20.

OR: if there is no oil available that has a viscosity grade of SAE 0W-20, you may add a total of no more than 1/2 quart (0.5 liter) of an engine oil that meets the oil quality standard VW 502 00 or VW 504 00 and has a viscosity grade of SAE 0W-30, SAE 5W-30, or SAE 5W-40.
Using oil with a viscosity grade other than SAE 0W-20 may cause vehicle emissions and fuel consumption to increase slightly. Only use other oils in case of emergency!

Use only an engine oil that expressly complies with the Volkswagen oil quality standard specified for your vehicle's engine. Using any other oil can cause serious engine damage that will not be covered by any Volkswagen Limited Warranty.

Do not mix any lubricants or other additives into the engine oil. Doing so can cause engine damage! Damage caused by these kinds of additives are not covered by any Volkswagen Limited Warranty.

This part explains to you why VW is using 0W20 oils.

 

[UG_Passat]

Originally Posted by KCJeep



Great post and welcome to the forum. You are clearly "on it" in regards to your GTI.

The standard Passat engine is suddenly VW 508 for the 2018 MY also, and was VW 502 in 2017. The VW 504 oils intrigue me also and I expect I may be experimenting with one eventually.


That's because the standard engine is no longer the 1.8TSI. It is a detuned Budack cycle 2.0TSI, which requires 508.00.

Originally Posted by Skatefast
My daughter just purchased a 2018 Tiguan MQB with the 2.0TSI engine. Do your research before you switch from the VW 508 / 509 oil spec. If you do some research on LSPI, the wrong oil will increase the propensity for LSPI to occur. The oil formulated to mitigate the LSPI will typically have a reduced level of calcium and an increase in magnesium.
LSPI is a newer phenomenon directly affecting the turbocharged gasoline direct injection engines.

The plan is to do an oil change every 5k miles. I have done only 1 oil change so far on the Tiguan at 5k miles, and used 6 quarts of Driven Racing DI20 oil. This oil is specifically designed for TGDI engines. My plan is to alternate the Driven with the factory VW Castrol oil each oil change. At the 10k oil change, I will use the Factory VW Castrol oil.


Have you done a VOA on the DI20 oil? Curious how much magnesium it has for the LSPI

 

[DuckRyder]

Originally Posted by edyvw

This part explains to you why VW is using 0W20 oils.


I don't really care why.

Just looking for the "list"....

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted by edyvw
This part explains to you why VW is using 0W20 oils.

I also love how they mention a 0w-20 in A3/B4. Why bother mentioning a product that doesn't even exist? People are confused enough by the specifications without inserting mythology.