Plan on using in my '24 Toyota GR86 an '18 Forester XT. Thoughts?
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VOA - DELO 600 ADF 10W-30
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It does not meet the minimum standard for gasoline engines, or does it? Like when Rotella had the "S" rating disappear for a while. It's a diesel oil.
Never heard of this oil. Are those Phos and Zinc levels correct? Moly is HUGE!
I look forward to seeing a used oil analysis on this oil in Al's application.
Considering there have been issues with tracked GR86 engines, an HDEO may be a smart move. But, it’s not rated for gasoline applications-so if anything bad happens, put the gasoline rated oil back in it!
As long as he doesn't go over 85 MPH 
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I'm not siding with you on this one Al.
I do admire your guts.
I do admire your guts.
Patman
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I’m failing to see the logic behind this choice. There are so many great 0w20s you could be using and if you’re driving it harder than normal then choose a 5w30 synthetic. But this oil is just too far removed from what is recommended for this car.
I have heard you say that you are going to be trading this for something else in a few years anyway so what benefits are you looking to get out of this oil in that short of an ownership period anyway? Any 0w20 will get you that far.
I have heard you say that you are going to be trading this for something else in a few years anyway so what benefits are you looking to get out of this oil in that short of an ownership period anyway? Any 0w20 will get you that far.
I'm curious to see the results from using this oil. It could give insight in the efficacy of Boron and Molybdenum as anti-wear agents versus Phosphorus.
Hard pass.
It possibly has anti wear add(s) which aren’t shown in a VOA and UOA.but since we can’t see them on an oil an analysis, many don’t care. There is at least one member here who could explain what adds can replace phosphorus and zinc and this being an oil forum I’d like to learn more.
dnewton3
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True.
The low (very low?) TBN value of this lube makes one wonder what the longevity would be. The TBN is low enough that many would decry the value of this if it were a used oil analysis ...
I make no effort to state this is a good or bad product from this one VOA; merely an observation.
It's likely a potassium borate ester for AW. (see: BD-0908) This is made more likely by the fact that Chevron/Oronite owns the patent on certain PBs. The problem with PBs (and most all solid particle nano-lubricants) is their effect tends to diminish at higher temperatures which is where the load of moly would then takeover. Interesting additive package for sure.
The absence of ZDDP makes me weary. ZDDP has benefits besides wear protection, serving also as an anti-oxidant and LSPI quencher. The high amount of Mo could make up for that though. I can see where they're going with this but.... why? This approach isn't exactly a cheap one so I'm curious what they found in lab and engine testing to give it a greenlight.
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The absence of ZDDP makes me weary. ZDDP has benefits besides wear protection, serving also as an anti-oxidant and LSPI quencher. The high amount of Mo could make up for that though. I can see where they're going with this but.... why? This approach isn't exactly a cheap one so I'm curious what they found in lab and engine testing to give it a greenlight.
If anyone needs me, I'll be in my office deep diving through white papers until it gives me a headache. Then I'll switch the screen to dark theme and keep going.