Viscosity from a different perspective

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An excellent post and suggestion for an oil for a 60's Chevy 348 by 440Magnum, has caused me to look at viscosity from a new (to me) perspective.

5th post in this thread:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/modern-oil-in-rebuilt-old-motor.132089/

Instead of focusing on bearing clearances and oil temperature for choosing an oil viscosity, maybe we should consider the flow volume through the system. Pressurized lube systems are a controlled leak. Think about where the oil goes after it exits the pressurized system and continues to lubricate and cool until it returns to the sump. Lower visc means faster leakage and more oil moving through the system, possibly increasing splash oiling and cooling.

A factor is how much cooling capacity is available to the returning oil before it is pressurized again. Some engines may have a more limited ability to cool oil and the extra flow wouldn't do as much good. Maybe this is part of the reason some see lower oil temps with lower visc oils. The engine likes greater flow and has the ability to cool it.

We don't talk much about an optimal flow rate of oil passing through the pump. Extremes are pressure not being built, and a system in pump relief bypass mode. We want the system to be between those extremes, and one of the ways to keep it there is with optimum viscosity for that engine.

Some engines like lots of flow and others don't have the capacity to utilize it, due to pump, gallery design, oil cooling ability, or they like more limited splash. Oil return ability is also a factor, if you can't get it back to the sump quickly, you would want less that isn't under pressure or in the sump

Maybe when Ford says to stay with 5w30 for the 4.0 V6, they don't make this rec based on the bearings needing a thicker cushion, or the oil temps being higher, it might just be the upper end doesn't return oil well.
 
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Maybe when Ford says to stay with 5w30 for the 4.0 V6, they don't make this rec based on the bearings needing a thicker cushion, or the oil temps being higher, it might just be the upper end doesn't return oil well.


Or that the lower end leaks too much
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The flow rate will be somewhat fixed at a normalized temp between any and all oils. The leakage will (probably) not.
 
The flow rate will be somewhat fixed at a normalized temp between any and all oils. The leakage will (probably) not.

I would think that flow and leakage would be closely associated. More flow being required in an attempt to make pressure with less resistance. I suppose flow rate is fixed depending on RPM until relief pressure is attained.

I don't know how flow rate and pressure are related. Higher pressures may not indicate higher flow.
 
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I would think that flow and leakage would be closely associated. More flow being required in an attempt to make pressure with less resistance. I suppose flow rate is fixed depending on RPM until relief pressure is attained.


Sure, but there are very few variable flow rate oiling systems out there. So the pressure will vary with the visc of the fluid at the same flow rate. You can't change the flow rate.

How can I say this
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Your HLA's are quiet @ viscs/flow rates. That's just "for example" in a simple view. There's much more to it - but I'm gorked out on pain meds.

I have a high volume pump on an engine that never needed a high volume pump. I put that in while I still knew it all. Consequently if I want to realize the full sensible output of the pump I have to use 20 weight fluids in an engine spec'd for 30 weight. I can't "fit" it through the engine. I'm at about double the OEM capacity for flow.

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I don't know how flow rate and pressure are related.

For the most part they are directly related. The "back pressure" is the expression of the same visc fluid traveling though the same conduit at higher velocity ..trying and failing to push the walls of the conduit outward.

I'm sure some altered physics comes into play at some point, so it's not as simple as I depict. I envision your bearing journals as (something like) a hopper that you're loading as space is available at whatever pressure you're providing. Once you're past the main oil gallery oil can go wherever it can go. All of your mandated flow scenarios can surely change.

One of the biggest challenges for those not so oriented is differentiating between a wall outlet/faucet and a positive displacement pump. One is a given flow rate based on pressure applied through a given resistance/restriction. The other is a given pressure produced at a given flow rate through a given restriction/resistance.

Q: What is the flow rate of 5gpm through a 2" pipe?
Q: What is the flow rate of 5gpmn through a 1/4" pipe?

A: 5gpm

Q: what's the difference
A: The "back pressure" seen at the pump @ 5gpm.
 
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