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Originally Posted By: scurvy
The best virus protection around is OS X or Linux when paired with vigilant & attentive users.

If you insist on using Windows, Microsoft Security Essentials seems to be OK, and the price is right.

You always get one of these...
 
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Originally Posted By: tmorris1
Originally Posted By: scurvy
The best virus protection around is OS X or Linux when paired with vigilant & attentive users.

If you insist on using Windows, Microsoft Security Essentials seems to be OK, and the price is right.

You always get one of these...

One what? Correct response?
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Anyone that doesn't see using the Windows operating system vastly increases the damage that can be done by a malicious virus just doesn't see the facts - Windows is horribly insecure platform and unfortunately ubiquitous. Changing to a different OS automatically decreases your risk dramatically (security through obscurity), especially when you use one that's more secure & stable to begin with (security by design).

Also consider what most folks do with computers - check their email, view/edit photos, surf the web, Youface/Twitbook/Tube-er, obsess over oil data sheets, post on BITOG/TDIClub/NASIOC/TGJ, listen to mp3s, watch videos, create a spreadsheet or formatted text document, save documents to reference later, etc... - you can do all of that stuff just as well on any reasonably modern Linux distribution than you can on OS X or Windows while making much more of older or cheaper hardware.

I just don't see the point of using an insecure, bloated, costly OS instead of a much more robust, secure & free (as in beer and/or speech) OS to get the same thing done. And if that makes me 'one of these' then I certainly am one and proud to be that way!
 
The original post asked about anti-virus software, not which OS to use. While Mac and Linux are fine OSs, it always seems that someone has to inject it into every conversation just like religion and politics.
 
Originally Posted By: tmorris1
The original post asked about anti-virus software, not which OS to use.


Operating systems ARE software.
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Fix the root cause of the problem, no 3rd party software applications needed.
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perhaps it was the snoblike tone of the original post that was objectionable?

as soon as you teach my 89 year old grandma how to use linux or buy her a mac.. ill get her on board that idea.

until then MSE works fine. its amazingly the least bloated of the free ones and catches all the [censored] that some pay ones dont.

I also have an acronis image of her hdd.. if she somehow gets something terrible it takes 20min to fix.

I have wanted a linux box as my main rig for years..but it just doesnt work for everything so its not going to happen.

I can see alot of people using it just for an email/internet box, but for everyday use by everyone for everything its just not there yet.
 
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Originally Posted By: Rand
perhaps it was the snoblike tone of the original post that was objectionable?

as soon as you teach my 89 year old grandma how to use linux or buy her a mac.. ill get her on board that idea.

If you get an answer to which you object to the content, is it not more likely to sound 'snoblike' than one which you like the content?
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If your 89 year old grandma can use Windows, she can use a Mac or Linux. Linux especially can be endlessly customized & the interface 'locked down' to make it very simple to use (especially with GNOME), yet doesn't allow the user to do anything 'bad'. If you've taken the time to image her computer, surely you could take the time to prevent anything 'bad' from happening in the first place (and use VNC to remotely access the machine to tweak anything remotely) - is it not better to prevent something from happening in the first place?

Originally Posted By: Rand
I have wanted a linux box as my main rig for years..but it just doesnt work for everything so its not going to happen.

I can see alot of people using it just for an email/internet box, but for everyday use by everyone for everything its just not there yet.

Modern linux distributions really are there now. If you haven't tried one in a while, I heartily suggest giving Ubuntu or Mint a try.

I don't want to continue beating a dead horse especially if folks are so dead set against trying something new (and ostensibly 'better') but PM me with what you're doing that just doesn't work on linux and maybe I can help. I'm no propeller-hatted computer wizard by any stretch of the imagination but I've been using linux since the bad old days of command-line, manual everything... and I'm blown away with how robust & easy it is to use these days especially compared to windows!
 
Originally Posted By: scurvy
Originally Posted By: tmorris1
The original post asked about anti-virus software, not which OS to use.


Operating systems ARE software.
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Fix the root cause of the problem, no 3rd party software applications needed.
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Again the original post is about Anti-virus software not OSs. I am quite aware that OSs are software.
 
It seems to me that everyone in here likes Microsoft Essentials. I also saw some AVG. I'll give Essential a try since it's Microsoft. Thanks everyone for there links to.
 
Look to Frys.com for free commercial, (after rebates), antivirus or suites.

At one time or another you'll find Kaspersky, Norton, Trend Micro, Webroot and others for free after rebates.

After using Norton products since the time Peter Norton was writing his own software, I swore off them completely around 2003 or 2004. After the Symantec buyout they had become all but useless.

I tried McAffee,(awful and still is), Trend Micro, (very good then, not so much now), and Kaspersky, (good reliable antivirus), then settled on Nod32 from Eset which was light on resources, fast and wicked effective. However, Nod32 HAS become more bloated over the years AND more expensive.

I used Microsoft Security Essentials and then Microsoft Security Essentials 2 beta, (google it), over a period of about 8 months on my desktop and my wife's laptop. That in conjunction with Malwarebytes, (free), is a very effective and light combination.

Recently I decided to give Norton another look due to the very high marks it was getting in reviews online. I picked up a copy of Norton Internet Security from Frys.com for free after rebate and installed it first on one of my XP Virtual Machines. After about a week of trial I went ahead and installed it on my desktop and my wife's laptop. I find it relatively light on resources, does not hinder web browsing, doesn't slow down boot process any more than any other antivirus and, I think, worthy of anyone's consideration. I've not had time to judge it's effectiveness but if you do a couple of searches you'll find plenty of reviews for that.

One thing I need to mention is the firewall in the security suites. I've stayed away from them over the years because I just hated the almost constant popups asking whether I wanted to allow this or that process access to the internet etc while it was in it's learning curve. Well, that appears to be gone. They've instituted a "smart firewall" that calls on the experience of the Norton installed user base to determine if a process is legit and if so to allow it access. It will take a bit of tweaking to get it to your likes but overall I have to give a thumbs up to Norton, either the antivirus or the suite.

I used Kaspersky Antvirus for about a year and was quite happy with it and would still recommend it, especially if you can get a deal on it.

A couple of things to bear in mind. Windows Vista and Windows 7 come with a 2 way firewall and Microsoft Windows Defender. Ok, their effectiveness can be argued but they are there and can be tailored somewhat to one's needs. Windows XP or before only provides inbound protection but Microsoft Windows Defender can be installed for free.

Also, my wife and I are in our 60's now, (jeez, how'd that happen?), so no children to worry about online and our web surfing habits might be different than others, so our security needs might be different than others.

So, if you want a recommendation from personal experience for an antivirus/security suite on the commercial side, I would say the following, in no particular order, are worthy of consideration and some can be had for free;

Nod32
Norton
Kaspersky

As to the choices in the free realm, I only have experience with Microsoft Security Essentials and Malwarebytes Antimalware. Both, in my opinion are excellent products, and together make a very effective defense for your pc.

Hope this helps,

Larry
 
Originally Posted By: tmorris1
Again the original post is about Anti-virus software not OSs. I am quite aware that OSs are software.


My last post in this thread, for real...

You disagree with my point, yet prove it?

If an operating system (software) is built from the ground up to not need additional shielding from virii, how is that not 'Anti-virus software'?
 
Originally Posted By: scurvy
Originally Posted By: tmorris1
Again the original post is about Anti-virus software not OSs. I am quite aware that OSs are software.


My last post in this thread, for real...

You disagree with my point, yet prove it?

If an operating system (software) is built from the ground up to not need additional shielding from virii, how is that not 'Anti-virus software'?

Sure you are right... except it doesn't run on Windows as the OP needed.
 
Originally Posted By: DragRace
I use no antivirus,haven't for years now.I'm loving it and will never go back!


No constant updates, no interminable tweaking of rules, no checking out the latest AV comparitive and worrying whether my solution has best on demand/best real-time/is lightest or just isn't the latest fad. No ropey releases and [censored] support. No on-going cost!


Wow, I don't know using anti-virus software was such a headache!

Regardless of what best practices you use, running a freebie lightweight AV application like MSE on a Windows computer seems to be a good idea... you know, just in case.
 
In the past I always bought my antivirus this time of year because I would always get it free after rebate when I bought my tax software from one of the office stores (used kaspersky last year as from my research it was the best FAR I could get).

I was planning on just going with MSE this year but one day newegg had ESET NOD32 as a shellshocker for a terrific price so I went with it.

I have ESET this year, but only because I found it for a terrific price, which seems rarely happens. Otherwise go with MSE.
 
Originally Posted By: Bottom_Feeder


Regardless of what best practices you use, running a freebie lightweight AV application like MSE on a Windows computer seems to be a good idea... you know, just in case.


There is no "just in case" with virtualization software like Sandboxie. There's no way viruses can get through! It's better to use them just in case your antivirus software lets something squeak through!
 
Microsoft
AVG
Antivir
Avast

You should also check the settings, as each has limitations with the default settings.

I find that all work great. Since you didn't mention your memory, CPU, or OS, I think that MS Security Essential would be your best bet. None have ever been a hog on any of the PC's/laptops that I've installed them in.

Virtual Machines and Sandboxie are a 'personal preference'. I wouldn't use them WITHOUT an AV program or a fresh install of windows with all updates, which isn't always an option for some.

Regardless of which AV program you choose, you should do a full online scan of your system to clear out infections prior to the new AV installation.

The following online scanners are pretty good(alternate among them all every few weeks). Try to clear out cookies/temp files(ccleaner) prior to the scan to rule out false hits. I find that EVERY AV program will sometimes let an infection slip by. These will pick off anything missed by your AV choice:

http://www.eset.com/online-scanner
http://housecall.trendmicro.com/
http://www.bitdefender.com/scanner/online/free.html
http://www.f-secure.com/en_EMEA-Labs/security-threats/tools/online-scanner
http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm
 
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
There is no "just in case" with virtualization software like Sandboxie. There's no way viruses can get through! It's better to use them just in case your antivirus software lets something squeak through!


Reading up on Sandboxie, it still allows a browser (or any other program running under it) to write data directly to the system drive only to be removed later when the program closes. I'm sure it works fine, just like I'm sure malware and viruses could be written to get around that.
 
Like anything, once something is adapted by many, someone will find a hole or way around it. Apple users are finding that out. And, if the whole world adopted Sandboxie, the scum would quickly find the holes and weaknesses. This is why I won't touch a computer using ONLY Sandboxie. I force the owners that I know to keep their AV working and up to date.

A virtual system is great if you have an ISP, like Verizon, which forces you to run a 30minute activation suite to enable all the features and benefits of their FIOS service, along with the tons of the bloatware and changes to your system that comes with it.
 
Originally Posted By: Bottom_Feeder


Reading up on Sandboxie, it still allows a browser (or any other program running under it) to write data directly to the system drive only to be removed later when the program closes. I'm sure it works fine, just like I'm sure malware and viruses could be written to get around that.


Malware can not get around it. Guys test it all the time, and it's developer Tzuk work on it daily. Some new malware is written to try and bypass virtulization, but is usually doesn't work and when a vulnerability is found, it's patched quickly.

If you look, many of the bug antivirus companies are now turning to sandboxing. They're about 5 years late to the party though.
 
In effect you use a kind of sandboxing if you use inPrivate Web Browsing that is built in to IE8. And you can also use inPrivate Filtering.

I like Microsoft Security Essentials and I am glad that Microsoft released this antivirus program. But I don't think that MSE is as good as Norton Internet Security or Kaspersky Internet Security. But MSE might well be better than some of the poorer quality for pay antivirus programs. Based on my experiences I would recommend Norton or Kaspersky if somebody wanted to pay for an A/V program and if somebody wanted a free A/V program I would recommend MSE. I don't think MSE will stop online threats as well as Norton or Kasperksy and I don't think MSE will find something that may have gotten on to the computer unless a full scan is done. And a full scan with MSE takes a while. But I still like MSE very much and if I knew for a fact that MSE was as good as Norton or Kaspersky I would use MSE immediately. It is free!

Microsoft still has an online antivirus scanner called Microsoft One Care online scanner. It takes a while to do a full scan but it can be used as a backup online scanner also, in addition to Esset, Trendmicro Housecall, etc. I like to occasionally use an online scan as a backup to my A/V program.
 
i am running avg free on my 2 computers and i love it the desktop is running an older version and the laptop is running the latest 3+ years with no viruses!!!!!

used to have trend micro and i found it to "bloat" the system and it had compatibility issues with my xp the only thing it wiped out was my wallet!
 
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