Video: Slip or is this normal?

[Carnoobie]

Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
The heat results from the trans being killed.

Friction from slipping clutches generates the excess heat. Overheated fluid then doesn't perform as well, so slipping continues to get worse.


Well my bottle of lubegard Red is on its way, hope i get it next week so i can put it in.

Originally Posted By: Vikas
Seriously, you are already doing LOT more than needed to give this transmission the longest life. You can do no more. As far as I know, only certain years of Honda V-6 are prone to eating transmissions. Your car is NOT the member of that elite group!

Just forget about it and enjoy.

If you want to firm up the shifts, look in to replacing the pressure switches (assuming your model has them). Generally, they are easy to replace and can make your transmission shift like new again. Do you have access to factory service manual? If so, verify you have 1-2 & 2-3 external pressure switches and purchase new ones on ebay. Usually, they are about $30.00 each. If you can see, you can replace them without even having to drain the transmission.

- Vikas


Pressure switches? Do you mean shift solenoids? I dont think my car has pressure switches but instead the shift solenoids. Car is 02 but the trans is an 04.

In this case i had the shift solenoids tested at a trans shop 3 months ago. They said replacing it wont do anything cause it was still good.

And another thing is that, for some reason, Honda recommends only to replace the shift solenoids if the trans is under 20k km. Dont know why!

 

[Vikas]

Honda "problem" transmission used pressure switches for lower gear and pressure solenoids for upper gears. I do not know if your specific transmission has switches or solenoids.

I was not aware that your car already had its transmission replaced. Now I understand. Having gone through similar nightmare scenario on a rebuilt transmission, I sympathize with you. However, I would still give you the same advice.

 

[Carnoobie]

Originally Posted By: Vikas
Honda "problem" transmission used pressure switches for lower gear and pressure solenoids for upper gears. I do not know if your specific transmission has switches or solenoids.

I was not aware that your car already had its transmission replaced. Now I understand. Having gone through similar nightmare scenario on a rebuilt transmission, I sympathize with you. However, I would still give you the same advice.


Well im pretty sure mine is solenoids but like i said already had them tested 3 months ago. Not really wanting to blow $200 on a new single solenoid on such an old car.

I honestly just want to crash this car so i can claim insurance on it and use that money on a new car. Seriously...

 

[NYSteve]

Might as well sell it. The difference from an ins. Payout and selling it privately won't be that big and you have taken good care of it. Additionally, it looks like on our side of the border that used car prices are finally peaking.

 

[Carnoobie]

Originally Posted By: NYSteve
Might as well sell it. The difference from an ins. Payout and selling it privately won't be that big and you have taken good care of it. Additionally, it looks like on our side of the border that used car prices are finally peaking.


I would if i could but id lose too much on it. Wya too much. Id might as well give it away cuase its got a rebuilt status from having the interior ripped out and stolen years ago. But car was never in an accident.

 

[abycat]

I dont think the trans is gonna die any time soon. And i think that shifting it into N might cause more wear than not shifting it. But what about this, Does the pump in the trans stop when in N making the oil in the cooler stop as well? You might be doing the opposite of what you intend to accomplish.

Id do a fluid and filter change or slap some of that trans stuff in and see if there is a change. If it gets better with some new fluid or the lubeguard stuff you might have some proof of worn trans parts or worn fluid.

 

[Carnoobie]

Originally Posted By: abycat
I dont think the trans is gonna die any time soon. And i think that shifting it into N might cause more wear than not shifting it. But what about this, Does the pump in the trans stop when in N making the oil in the cooler stop as well? You might be doing the opposite of what you intend to accomplish.

Id do a fluid and filter change or slap some of that trans stuff in and see if there is a change. If it gets better with some new fluid or the lubeguard stuff you might have some proof of worn trans parts or worn fluid.


I cant tell if the pump in the trans stops when I put into N, I dont hear any noise or change of noise from it.

Well if lubegard works then it must be the product of lubegard since many here recommended it and said it firmed up the shifts in their trans.

 

[ltslimjim]

Don't do the shifting in neutral, unless in traffic and not moving for a while, etc. it all depends.

That is the last of what to be concerned with, anyway.

Simply work on establishing a good maintenance routine and don't look back. I think you are on the right track, and don't worry about your car just napalming over some baseline symptoms.

Did changing the fluid 5 months ago improve feel at all? Previous maintenance/mileage/time list???

The Lubegard might do wonders.

I wonder if programming is all fine with the replacement transmission; being an '02 with an '04 transmission, if there would be any use in changing the TCM if there is such a thing for this app???

Lastly, cold weather start shifting the gear selector may reveal some symptoms, like when symptoms appear during hot weather. The question is, does it improve when driving is normal or is it worse on that startup or during those frequent stop and go conditions?

Keep up on maintenance. I agree with some others as to focusing on how you drive more so than worrying about the feel. That way, something odd 'will' stand out instead of you being on edge for normal things.

 

[Carnoobie]

Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
Don't do the shifting in neutral, unless in traffic and not moving for a while, etc. it all depends.


Well usually the only time I put it in N is when im in traffic and stopped for awhile. I really dont put it in N as much as you guys think. And I only do it if trans is really hot, otherwise i dont bother. Never do it in the winter.

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Simply work on establishing a good maintenance routine and don't look back. I think you are on the right track, and don't worry about your car just napalming over some baseline symptoms.

Did changing the fluid 5 months ago improve feel at all? Previous maintenance/mileage/time list???


New fluid didnt change anything, and I did a cycle of 4 drain and fills over a 6 week span cause i wanted to get it as fresh as possible.

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The Lubegard might do wonders.


Ya still waiting for the bottle to arrive.

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I wonder if programming is all fine with the replacement transmission; being an '02 with an '04 transmission, if there would be any use in changing the TCM if there is such a thing for this app???


Whats TCM? From what I read, an 04 drops into any previous civic down to 01 no problem. Normally on cars you need to reprogram the PCM (not sure is that same as TCM?) but in hondas you normally dont need to reprogram anything after trans swap.

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Lastly, cold weather start shifting the gear selector may reveal some symptoms, like when symptoms appear during hot weather. The question is, does it improve when driving is normal or is it worse on that startup or during those frequent stop and go conditions?


When you say gear selector do you mean just shifting the gears in the car or actual driving and having it shift in the trans? if you mean the gear box in the car, well I have no problems with that cold or hot. It shifts from D, R, N, P, D3 smoothly. Winters it takes a second or two longer to get into gear when cold, but thats cause its so cold out and understandable. I usually let the car sit a bit longer in winters when doing cold starts to get the ATF flowing through the lines.

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I agree with some others as to focusing on how you drive more so than worrying about the feel. That way, something odd 'will' stand out instead of you being on edge for normal things.


What you mean ?

 

[ltslimjim]

The other thread you have regarding this had a Honda guy talking relative to the TCM thought(trans control module?), but yes PCM/ECM retuning along those lines. Just depends on the computer controlled setups going on.

Yes, you understood the gear selector part fine. I noticed adding lubegard helped the coldstart shift into R harshness my old Dodge Stratus had before I sold it. It also had serious delay going into 'lock-up' with the torque-converter. 2 pan drops later with filter replacement each time, and using the Lubegard red bottle and things were butter again. At least, as good as it gets.

The best thing I could have done, before selling it, would be to get the TCM reprogrammed.

What I meant by my last line of thought was this: Relax. Especially when you drive, work at how you accelerate. Seriously, even the A/T will give you more cooperation if it can be babied some. Let the problem become truly apparent in the sense of 'after' re-defining what a 'problem' symptom is vs an 'expected/typical' symptom or 'once a month' hiccup may be. The delay you got seems to be nothing compared to the terror my Stratus transmission was starting to show. Of course, it was a family owner vehicle and no one cared to replace the factory AFT in 98/99 until I did so when purchasing the vehicle in 2008, there about.

Lastly, I know it's a different app and design compared to the Honda in question. However, just using it as an example of how symptoms may impend doom or not. It may wind up leading to shortened life overall but could take another 100k miles. That's sort of the gist of where folks are coming from. Just with differing points to be made in conversation.

 

[Carnoobie]

Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
The other thread you have regarding this had a Honda guy talking relative to the TCM thought(trans control module?), but yes PCM/ECM retuning along those lines. Just depends on the computer controlled setups going on.

I called one Honda dealer and guy said its PCM and talked like he had no idea that it can be reprogrammed but ill try another. He couldnt even tell me how to check if i have the latest update or not.

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Yes, you understood the gear selector part fine. I noticed adding lubegard helped the coldstart shift into R harshness my old Dodge Stratus had before I sold it. It also had serious delay going into 'lock-up' with the torque-converter. 2 pan drops later with filter replacement each time, and using the Lubegard red bottle and things were butter again. At least, as good as it gets.


Hopefully my bottle is hear next week.

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What I meant by my last line of thought was this: Relax. Especially when you drive, work at how you accelerate. Seriously, even the A/T will give you more cooperation if it can be babied some.


Oh trust me I baby it, i drive like a granny. I pretty much never accelerate past 3000rpms and i always accelerate like a turtle. I do this for the sake of the trans but also my milage. It drives people behind me nuts but i dont care. There is a reason why i get 650-700km/tank.

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Let the problem become truly apparent in the sense of 'after' re-defining what a 'problem' symptom is vs an 'expected/typical' symptom or 'once a month' hiccup may be. The delay you got seems to be nothing compared to the terror my Stratus transmission was starting to show.


Well hopefully mine is normal and stays that way. I really really hope. But at the end of the day a flare is a flare. It has been on my mind non stop 24/7 for the past 2 months and stressing me out.

 

[Carnoobie]

FInally received my bottle of Lubegard Red yesterday, it took almost a ****** month to get it from the States. Geez.

So this morning I did a drain and fill. Even though ive changed my ATF before im still a noobie when it comes to it and pretty slow with it. Including driving and checking the levels and topping it up, it took me 2.5hours. I had one helluva time just getting the bolt loose, didnt think I was going to be able to. But after some frustration and cursing I finally got it off.

Drained it, put in 90% of the bottle of LubeGard Red in (use a measuring cup) cause my trans is 8.9 quarts total.

Put in new Maxlife ATF, drove it around for 5mins, checked ATF on completely flat road, drove again some more, checked again. Its good, on max line.

Checked the old ATF when i was pouring it out and no metal chunks or pieces, just tiny dot like specs (but was told thats normal). Cleaned the black sludge off the magnet of the drain plug and no metal at all on it. Put new washer on and back on.

There wasnt a whole lot of sludge on there, surprised since its been 6.5 months since i last changed the atf. The old ATF was just a bit darker than strawberry red colour. Like a medium red.

 

[tommygunn]

You're making problems, your transmission is fine, and you're over servicing it for no good reason.

Complete OCD to a point of sounding insane isn't a good thing.

 

[Carnoobie]

Originally Posted By: tommygunn
You're making problems, your transmission is fine, and you're over servicing it for no good reason.

Complete OCD to a point of sounding insane isn't a good thing.


you think? well i hope but lets see if the lubegard red will help it shift better.

 

[ltslimjim]

It will look darker draining when 'cold' compared to 'hot(generally and the extremes are true as well).

Good going, don't worry about servicing for another 2 years at least, though.