Video about Fram end caps
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OT: The cardboard face masks worked pretty well for the pre-fireworks Roman Candle battles. If plain old cardboard worked well enough for that, why shouldn't the fancy "engineered media" hold well enough against a little oil pressure that doesn't tear the paper media?
Did you see that Bentley OEM filter he holds up at the end? Uneven pleats and cardboard end caps! I would have a cow if I pulled that off my $100k+ car!
There isn't anything wrong with the fram cardboard end cap design.
However, knowing the quality of the filter and lack of media, it leads us to believe they take shortcuts.
Yes they're a major distributor of oil filters, sell thousands of them daily.
Most cars go on with never having an issue.
However.. IMHO, since I Know what could happen. I choose to not roll the dice and see if my luck would run out with one.
So I'll never use a fram because of it. Their extended guard, costs $10, I can get a Puro or Wix for $6 and I already know I have a superior filter.
So fram can try to convince me that they're filters are tops. But I won't take the chance, nor will I allow anyone else to without me telling them the known "potential" issue.
However, knowing the quality of the filter and lack of media, it leads us to believe they take shortcuts.
Yes they're a major distributor of oil filters, sell thousands of them daily.
Most cars go on with never having an issue.
However.. IMHO, since I Know what could happen. I choose to not roll the dice and see if my luck would run out with one.
So I'll never use a fram because of it. Their extended guard, costs $10, I can get a Puro or Wix for $6 and I already know I have a superior filter.
So fram can try to convince me that they're filters are tops. But I won't take the chance, nor will I allow anyone else to without me telling them the known "potential" issue.
Thanks for posting the video.
I've never had a single issue with a Fram. My main concern with them is I am not convinced the ADBV seats well against the fiber end cap and they don't have enough media for the price. I will use one in a heartbeat if it comes with an oil change special though.
I've never had a single issue with a Fram. My main concern with them is I am not convinced the ADBV seats well against the fiber end cap and they don't have enough media for the price. I will use one in a heartbeat if it comes with an oil change special though.
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
Thanks for posting the video.
I've never had a single issue with a Fram. My main concern with them is I am not convinced the ADBV seats well against the fiber end cap and they don't have enough media for the price. I will use one in a heartbeat if it comes with an oil change special though.
I agree it isn't so much the engineering as it is the value for the money. Why buy a fram when you can get a slightly better quality of filter for about the same price?
Thanks for posting the video.
I've never had a single issue with a Fram. My main concern with them is I am not convinced the ADBV seats well against the fiber end cap and they don't have enough media for the price. I will use one in a heartbeat if it comes with an oil change special though.
I agree it isn't so much the engineering as it is the value for the money. Why buy a fram when you can get a slightly better quality of filter for about the same price?
SOOOOOO long term,how does the 2-3$ difference from a fair filter to a top notch filter hurt you? ill take the better filter. after all what ARE you going to do with $3
LOL, love how FRAM tries to make and excuses. Cardboard is worse than metal, or plastic in long term pressurized and hot environment.Period.
They are fine under 5k miles, Exdended Guard (AKA Ultra) is build like tank, and has metal caps, nice media. Why their didn't use they suppa duppa engineered media fiber caps there? Because they know it is [censored] and may fail in 15k miles.
I personally used FRAM with no problem, but in pre BITOG times and 3k OCIs, so no problem there.
I actually will post all of my filters for sale(cheap) from previous car. I have about 20-30, various brands for 3/4-16 threads. Regular/oversize/Huge ones that were bought for 1mz-fe engine. So watch a sales section soon if you are interested.
They are fine under 5k miles, Exdended Guard (AKA Ultra) is build like tank, and has metal caps, nice media. Why their didn't use they suppa duppa engineered media fiber caps there? Because they know it is [censored] and may fail in 15k miles.
I personally used FRAM with no problem, but in pre BITOG times and 3k OCIs, so no problem there.
I actually will post all of my filters for sale(cheap) from previous car. I have about 20-30, various brands for 3/4-16 threads. Regular/oversize/Huge ones that were bought for 1mz-fe engine. So watch a sales section soon if you are interested.
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So why does Fram's more expensive filters have metal end disks? Cost reasons? Purolator classics usually cost less than EG and have metal.
every high end european car these days, even the 100k and up ones, use filter cartridges with fiber end caps (or worse, just adhesive or no end cap at all). what's the difference with a can filter on a 5k honda? why does that application need metal end caps?
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So why does Fram's more expensive filters have metal end disks? Cost reasons? Purolator classics usually cost less than EG and have metal.
he explains it in the video. the mesh backing in the ultraguard requires a deep metal cap to properly seal the filter media to.
Originally Posted By: cutter
So why does Fram's more expensive filters have metal end disks? Cost reasons? Purolator classics usually cost less than EG and have metal.
he explains it in the video. the mesh backing in the ultraguard requires a deep metal cap to properly seal the filter media to.
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The only issue I've ever had with the cardboard style filters was the ADBV not working properly. I still use them on my vertical mounted GM's with no worries.
I like how the uploader goes on to say:
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Purolator simply does not want you to know that their filter pass more dirt into your engine than FRAM.
Yes, Fram's own 'better' filter uses metal-end caps for various reasons. He tries to explain it's because the wire-backed media is too rigid for gluing the metal end-cap onto such overly stiff media, basically necessitates the use of a 'deeper' metal end cap in order to grasp the more stout media. However, I doubt that same filter would NOT have a metal end-cap.
Yes, for 5,000 miles or less Fram isn't a bad option. Regarding entry level filtration. Their 're-named' Ultra(Extended Guard) is a good 10,000 mile filter. As always and as others have mentioned, engine cleanliness/service conditions seen/app variations etc can make mileage goals more attainable or not for any filter.
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Purolator simply does not want you to know that their filter pass more dirt into your engine than FRAM.
Yes, Fram's own 'better' filter uses metal-end caps for various reasons. He tries to explain it's because the wire-backed media is too rigid for gluing the metal end-cap onto such overly stiff media, basically necessitates the use of a 'deeper' metal end cap in order to grasp the more stout media. However, I doubt that same filter would NOT have a metal end-cap.
Yes, for 5,000 miles or less Fram isn't a bad option. Regarding entry level filtration. Their 're-named' Ultra(Extended Guard) is a good 10,000 mile filter. As always and as others have mentioned, engine cleanliness/service conditions seen/app variations etc can make mileage goals more attainable or not for any filter.
I sent email with a link to Purolator guys, and asked them to chime in
Let's see what happens.
Purolator states test are done @ 20 micron, Fram guy says @25.
Let the war begin!!!
Purolator states test are done @ 20 micron, Fram guy says @25.
Let the war begin!!!
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My comment about OCOD and that I cut open and compared many various filters, and found that ocod quality = china [censored] filter that cost less than $2 didn't go thru
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Originally Posted By: MBS500
I sent email with a link to Purolator guys, and asked them to chime in
Let's see what happens.
Purolator states test are done @ 20 micron, Fram guy says @25.
Let the war begin!!!
FYI ... Purolator is saying @ 25 microns on their full synthetic filter (PSL series).
http://www.purolatorautofilters.net/products/oil_filters/Pages/SyntheticOilFilters.aspx
I sent email with a link to Purolator guys, and asked them to chime in
Purolator states test are done @ 20 micron, Fram guy says @25.
Let the war begin!!!
FYI ... Purolator is saying @ 25 microns on their full synthetic filter (PSL series).
http://www.purolatorautofilters.net/products/oil_filters/Pages/SyntheticOilFilters.aspx
I wonder in general what happens to a car that has been sitting for X years... with a filter full of oil. Does the matereal in the filter eventually fall apart.... like a slow dissolve.
However, what does FRAM state the efficiency rate @ 20 micron is?
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