Valvolive Import Multi Vehicle Full Synthetic ATF

[tig1]

Tell me about this fluid. My fusion is up on ramps for the first pan drop, and filter change. I have in the past used M1 multi vehicle in drains only(it has a drain plug) and it has worked well for the Fusion. Remember the 5 speed Fusion(it calls for FNR-5 fluid) is the same transmission(in a Mazda) that uses Mazda MV fluid. Well Mobil 1 ATF no longer specs Mazda MV fluid so today I purchased the Valvoline ATF as described as it does spec Mazda MV. Has anyone used this fluid over a long period of time. By the way I bought this at O'Reilly's for $6.29 a Qt. Also they had Amsoil ATF there for $11 something a Qt.

 

[chad8]

In this transmission I would stick with fnr-5(mazda mv) or amsoil. Its a very special trans which has unique requirements.
I would not use the valvoline. Just do not trust a multi fluid in this case. Go to ford and get the right stuff.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/15929555/Automatic-Transmission-Fluid-Chart

 

[barlowc]

Originally Posted By: tig1
Mobil 1 ATF no longer specs Mazda MV fluid

But is the formulation any different than before, when the label did spec it? If not, regardless of what the label doesn't say now, if it's worked well for you in the past, why not stick with it?

 

[dave123]

Originally Posted By: chad8
In this transmission I would stick with fnr-5(mazda mv) or amsoil. Its a very special trans which has unique requirements.
I would not use the valvoline. Just do not trust a multi fluid in this case. Go to ford and get the right stuff.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/15929555/Automatic-Transmission-Fluid-Chart


What makes Amsoil so special over any other MV fluid that specs. mazda. How can you say you don't trust a multi fluid then say use amsoil.

 

[tig1]

Originally Posted By: dave123
Originally Posted By: chad8
In this transmission I would stick with fnr-5(mazda mv) or amsoil. Its a very special trans which has unique requirements.
I would not use the valvoline. Just do not trust a multi fluid in this case. Go to ford and get the right stuff.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/15929555/Automatic-Transmission-Fluid-Chart


What makes Amsoil so special over any other MV fluid that specs. mazada. How can you say you don't trust a multi fluid then say use amsoil.


Very good point. Just this afternoon I looked the Amsoil bottle over and it clearly is a multi vehicle ATF.

 

[Billy_D]

My 2 year old stash of Mobil 1 ATF specs for Mazda MV. I wonder why the newer Mobil ATF is no longer recommended for transmissions that requires Mazda MV.

 

[chad8]

The reason is because I have used amsoil in my mercon v taurus and have faith in it.
I have not had very good results with any valvoline products over the last 40 years of working on cars. Sure it meets the spec and go ahead and use it , but run a short change interval.
I think that I am no smarter that any other car junky out here in internet land, but your best bet is oem fluid in this case.
I only suggested amsoil as a non dealer high quality fluid that is readily available.
When you look at valvoline current product line they are promoting nextgen and syntec, not exactly up to Mobil 1 or pennzoil quality. max life seems good ,but for older cars. I see them as a second tier supplier. They seem more concerned making money from instant oil changes that formulating advanced products.
Just one mans educated opinion .

 

[tig1]

Originally Posted By: barlowc
Originally Posted By: tig1
Mobil 1 ATF no longer specs Mazda MV fluid

But is the formulation any different than before, when the label did spec it? If not, regardless of what the label doesn't say now, if it's worked well for you in the past, why not stick with it?


You are correct. I decided to take the Valvoline back and use the Mobil 1 ATF. Just finished up the pan drop and fluid change this morning. Transmission shifts very good.

 

[barlowc]

It's interesting to see what Mobil 1 no longer specs. They used to spec Honda Z-1, but not any more. At least not on the product data sheet on their website.

 

[frank2009]

I was using Mobil 1 with no problems in Mazda 3 that required the MV fluid. When the bottle and website no longer listed Mobil 1 as meeting the spec, I E-mailed them. The reply was Mobil no longer makes an ATX fluid that meets the spec. Maybe the fluid is the same, maybe it's not. I'm not taking a chance. Switched to Amalie, which according to their website meets MV. So far so good for about 5k miles.

 

[tig1]

Originally Posted By: frank2009
I was using Mobil 1 with no problems in Mazda 3 that required the MV fluid. When the bottle and website no longer listed Mobil 1 as meeting the spec, I E-mailed them. The reply was Mobil no longer makes an ATX fluid that meets the spec. Maybe the fluid is the same, maybe it's not. I'm not taking a chance. Switched to Amalie, which according to their website meets MV. So far so good for about 5k miles.


I called Mobil tech and ask the same question. The formulation has not changed but the wording has. He said no problems would occure using their fluid. Since I have been using Mobil 1 ATF in the Fusion with success I plan to continue with their fluid.

 

[Hokiefyd]

It makes me wonder why ExxonMobil would REMOVE a fluid specification from the list if it currently does, and has in the past, satisfactorily met that requirement.

 

[Billy_D]

They probably cheapened the formulation.

 

[BrianL]

What's the difference in Valvolive Import Multi Vehicle and Maxlife? Would Maxlife work better in an '04 Honda?

 

[Hokiefyd]

Originally Posted By: Billy007
They probably cheapened the formulation.


But Tig said that ExxonMobil told him directly that they didn't change it. Seems odd to me...

 

[tig1]

Ok! Here's the scoop. I just got off from the phone with Mobil tech. In times past the wording on the bottle said "suitable" for all the various transmissions listed on the back of the bottle. However that doesn't mean "certified". He said the fluid has not changed at all and I have nothing to be concerned about. The reason they removed many of the transmissions formally listed was the cost was hugh to certify every vehicle shown. All of the vehicles presantly listed are certified by XM and receive the warranty on their fluid. Here's my best guess. I believe all ATF makers that have a multi vehicle fluid has the wording "suitable" on their bottles. XM chose to remove their term, "suitable".

 

[Hokiefyd]

Tig, thanks for the update on the fluid.

I do agree with you, most universal fluids have wording like "suitable for" or "acceptable in".

Personally, I like Chrysler's arrangement with their ATF+4 the best. They license the formula so you don't necessarily have to go to a Mopar parts counter to get it. But you know that the Super Tech ATF+4 is going to be as "same" as "same" gets compared with the genuine Mopar fluid, because it's a licensed product.

 

[onion]

Originally Posted By: tig1
Ok! Here's the scoop. I just got off from the phone with Mobil tech. In times past the wording on the bottle said "suitable" for all the various transmissions listed on the back of the bottle. However that doesn't mean "certified". He said the fluid has not changed at all and I have nothing to be concerned about. The reason they removed many of the transmissions formally listed was the cost was hugh to certify every vehicle shown. All of the vehicles presantly listed are certified by XM and receive the warranty on their fluid. Here's my best guess. I believe all ATF makers that have a multi vehicle fluid has the wording "suitable" on their bottles. XM chose to remove their term, "suitable".


Who is "XM"?

 

[tig1]

Originally Posted By: onion
Originally Posted By: tig1
Ok! Here's the scoop. I just got off from the phone with Mobil tech. In times past the wording on the bottle said "suitable" for all the various transmissions listed on the back of the bottle. However that doesn't mean "certified". He said the fluid has not changed at all and I have nothing to be concerned about. The reason they removed many of the transmissions formally listed was the cost was hugh to certify every vehicle shown. All of the vehicles presantly listed are certified by XM and receive the warranty on their fluid. Here's my best guess. I believe all ATF makers that have a multi vehicle fluid has the wording "suitable" on their bottles. XM chose to remove their term, "suitable".


Who is "XM"?


Exxon Mobil

 

[Billy_D]

The bottle still lists Mobil 1 ATF suitable for Mazda MV.