Valvoline syn vs. Mobil 1 syn?

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: gmchevroletruck
Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
When it comes to 5W-20's, 5w30's or 10w30's, I will take the Valvoline over the regular Mobil 1 any day.


Ok. I'll buy that, as a preference of yours. Maybe it's "better", maybe it's not. The longer I spend on bitog, and the more I see, I realize it's never that cut and dried. People's opinions are, but not the facts. But even if for some reason this is an exception to that rule, ok, I think all that "2x, 4x and 16x" better stuff in that quote was absolutely ridiculous.

Look at all the folks going 300-400k on dino oil, etc. And Mobil 1 for that matter, pick a brand, there are stories out there about high mileage. I don't hate any particular oil, the more I read on here, they are all not that much different from each other, especially for a street car or truck. So all this 16x better stuff is a bit humorous to me



He just hates M1. You will notice that theme with a few posters. There are also a number that abhor Royal Purple.


Not all Mobil 1, just most of it. I believe their standard grades have become watered down junk.


Kind of proving my point here.......

 

[chevrofreak]

Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL

Kind of proving my point here.......


Prove me wrong.

 

[tig1]

Some of the finest engine builders in the world think M1 oils are very good. Typically M1 paves the way in new engine requirements for the oils that meet new standards. Generally, not in all cases, the other oil producers follow M1s lead in new formulations. Also race teams in the highest forms of motor sports often use M1. Not trying to convince you, but M1 does have a long track record of producing quality products. Saying M1 is watered down junk shows a little lack of knowledge about oil.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL

Kind of proving my point here.......


Prove me wrong.


I don't need to. GM is still using it in the 'vette, Honda is using it for the RDX... And the list goes on.

Does your approval, disapproval or speculation on a product hold more weight than a manufacturer's specs or approvals that a lubricant meets?

 

[Johnny]

I think it is almost time to

 

[Drew99GT]

Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL

He just hates M1. You will notice that theme with a few posters. There are also a number that abhor Royal Purple.


You call it hate because you seem to be emotionally attached to Mobil 1!

It's not hate on my part, it's an informed consumer decision for me to conclude Mobil 1 is not the bees knees, given the evidence that they've lessened the PAO in most of the GF-4 grades, and they may have put out a few batches of product that were not even meeting basic API test standards (gee, they still haven't sued Ashland or Castrol over those "lies" about wear test results

).

If you're in love with a particular motor oil, then that's all fine and dandy. There's far worse hobbies you could have!

But for me, when there are literally a dozen other products to choose from, I'll choose something else.

You can be sure that as long as you and the Mobil 1 junkies praise it, others out there will point out it's flaws.

 

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: hpichris
I don't think they need to bash other people because they have the market....Motor oil practically belongs to Mobil.

 

[nfs480]

Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL

Kind of proving my point here.......


Prove me wrong.


I don't need to. GM is still using it in the 'vette, Honda is using it for the RDX... And the list goes on.

Does your approval, disapproval or speculation on a product hold more weight than a manufacturer's specs or approvals that a lubricant meets?


I have nothing against Mobil 1, but I think the fact that manufacturers use it as factory fill isn't exactly a good reason to claim it's superiority over everything else in the market. All that says to me is that it meets the minimum specifications that the manufacturer has set for the vehicle and the company was able to get it for the cheapest price over the competition. Exxonmobil is a large company capable of cutting production costs low enough to offer bulk amounts to the factories for less than anyone else could probably charge.

EDIT: After all, it was most likely the business men who made the decision to go with mobil one, not the engineers.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: nfs480
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL

Kind of proving my point here.......


Prove me wrong.


I don't need to. GM is still using it in the 'vette, Honda is using it for the RDX... And the list goes on.

Does your approval, disapproval or speculation on a product hold more weight than a manufacturer's specs or approvals that a lubricant meets?


I have nothing against Mobil 1, but I think the fact that manufacturers use it as factory fill isn't exactly a good reason to claim it's superiority over everything else in the market. All that says to me is that it meets the minimum specifications that the manufacturer has set for the vehicle and the company was able to get it for the cheapest price over the competition. Exxonmobil is a large company capable of cutting production costs low enough to offer bulk amounts to the factories for less than anyone else could probably charge.

EDIT: After all, it was most likely the business men who made the decision to go with mobil one, not the engineers.


There are only two oils that meet Honda's HTO-06 spec... M1 and PP.

 

[Drew99GT]

I use Valvoline because it does not contain adaptive friction extinguishers and hypertronic wear resisters.

 

[hpichris]

Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
I use Valvoline because it does not contain adaptive friction extinguishers and hypertronic wear resisters.


+1

 

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL


There are only two oils that meet Honda's HTO-06 spec... M1 and PP.

Maybe because there is only ONE car that requires it and why should other oil companies spend (waste) the $$ to show that they meet Mobils (sorry Honda's) spec.

You really think the only 2 oils that *could* meet this "tough" spec is Mobil 1 and a KNOWN group III oil like PP? (at least Pennzoil admits to what is in their oils)

Okay....

Take care, bill

 

[nfs480]

For instance, Amsoil claims SSO meets HTO-06, but they didn't pay to be officially certified. I'd be willing to bet there are many more oils that could potentially meet the spec.

 

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: nfs480
For instance, Amsoil claims SSO meets HTO-06, but they didn't pay to be officially certified. I'd be willing to bet there are many more oils that could potentially meet the spec.


Most oils would pass it without question. Again, if a lowly group III (not a real syn according to most members here

) can pass it then most other oils can do it.

 

[tig1]

Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
I use Valvoline because it does not contain adaptive friction extinguishers and hypertronic wear resisters.


I heard that stuff causes seals to leak. Any truth to it??

 

[tig1]

Here's the flyer on M1s HTO spec.

http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Files/Acura_RDX_Mobil_1_Brochure.pdf

 

[Steve S]

Originally Posted By: dsmith41
Originally Posted By: wannafbody
Valvoine is 4X better than Mobil 1 and Edge is 2x better than Valvoline and 16x better than Syntec.


That pretty much sums it up!
Thre real question is how many times better is Pennzoil PP?

 

[ARCOgraphite]

API GF4 is junk, Depends on which junk you like. HDEO or Bust!

You just saw (somehere here) comparitive photos of PAO basestock exhibiting by far the WORST sludging and deposits of all bases (including wide cut paraffin) on a hot flow over a metal coupon. It won't solubilise organo-metallics, It tend to oxidise and thicken in LL useage. Why the PAO love? Its no good as an engine lube! Move on.

 

[buster]

Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: nfs480
For instance, Amsoil claims SSO meets HTO-06, but they didn't pay to be officially certified. I'd be willing to bet there are many more oils that could potentially meet the spec.


Most oils would pass it without question. Again, if a lowly group III (not a real syn according to most members here

) can pass it then most other oils can do it.



Actually Bill, MOST oils did not pass it.

 

[bustednutz]

I used Valvoline exclusively in my wifes old car. And I used Mobil 1 exclusively in my 1998 Jeep XJ (10w30). After 100k miles the valvetrain in my Jeep was literally spotless. Not a single spot of varnish. It was silver and brand new looking. Its a great product.
The Valvoline has always been a great product as well in our vehicles. I am currently running Valvoline SYNPower in both our cars. They both have great products.