Valvoline Syn good for 10k OCI??

[fdcg27]

Or, you could just buy some M1, take advantage of the MIR and run a known good oil for less money.
Incidentally, many of us would have love to have seen another example of the rare UOAs of LE oil as opposed to yet another example of the common ones with Valvoline.

 

[thunderfog]

Originally Posted By: K20FA5
I remember reading in the old days that Valvoline was a 3,000 mile OCI oil. It was only good for short OCIs.

I'm trying to pick an oil for the new 4Runner. Toyota has its OCIs at 10,000 miles on a 0w-20 oil. TGMO is not easily available, and I was looking for something I can pickup at Walmart. I was thinking M1EP since the bottle says good for 15,000 miles. Would I be pushing Synpower or PP with those miles? 7,500 is the longest OCI I've ever done, and those are even hard for me. Just feel like I need to change it sooner

Thanks for the advice guys!


Congrats on the new 4 Runner. Mine is about a month old, and I'm wondering what to use as well. I've typically gone against the grain a little bit, and I think I will use Kendall GT-1 as I have in the past. I've never done a UOA however, but I will in a year or two on this vehicle.

Petroleum Service Co.

Good prices overall, although they don't quite beat Wally World oils, and it's delivered quickly to your doorstep. I've placed several orders from them, worry free.

Enjoy the new ride!

 

[Nickdfresh]

Here's a Toyota 3.3L UOA on Synpower. It looks pretty good though it went 7K, not 10K...

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Kuato
Originally Posted By: UltrafanUK
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If in doubt, get a UOA with TBN done!


^ This. Probably, but be sure.


Agreed! If I ever decided to push an OCI to 10K I would get a UOA with the TBN. There is no way I'd push it that long because someone else did or does it, especially living in NY and driving under the conditions I drive. Blanket statements like so and so's oil can easily do 10K, can easily get you in trouble. It is very rare you'll find two cars being driven exactly the same, especially when the drivers and their cars are in two different parts of the country. I see some guys can make a 20 mile commute to work in 20 minutes or less, it can take someone from where I live an hour or more. That's just one example. Spend the money on a UOA and be sure.

 

[pbm]

What method are you guys using to pull oil for a UOA without changing the oil?

 

[Nickdfresh]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Kuato
Originally Posted By: UltrafanUK
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If in doubt, get a UOA with TBN done!


^ This. Probably, but be sure.


Agreed! If I ever decided to push an OCI to 10K I would get a UOA with the TBN. There is no way I'd push it that long because someone else did or does it, especially living in NY and driving under the conditions I drive. Blanket statements like so and so's oil can easily do 10K, can easily get you in trouble. It is very rare you'll find two cars being driven exactly the same, especially when the drivers and their cars are in two different parts of the country. I see some guys can make a 20 mile commute to work in 20 minutes or less, it can take someone from where I live an hour or more. That's just one example. Spend the money on a UOA and be sure.


Personally I'd just change it at 7,500 miles as oil is inexpensive with rebates and sales. UOA's just add costs and have a very limited usefulness...

 

[fdcg27]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Kuato
Originally Posted By: UltrafanUK
....

If in doubt, get a UOA with TBN done!


^ This. Probably, but be sure.


Agreed! If I ever decided to push an OCI to 10K I would get a UOA with the TBN. There is no way I'd push it that long because someone else did or does it, especially living in NY and driving under the conditions I drive. Blanket statements like so and so's oil can easily do 10K, can easily get you in trouble. It is very rare you'll find two cars being driven exactly the same, especially when the drivers and their cars are in two different parts of the country. I see some guys can make a 20 mile commute to work in 20 minutes or less, it can take someone from where I live an hour or more. That's just one example. Spend the money on a UOA and be sure.


This is the beauty of an IOLM. No guesswork involved and no need for UOAs and proper interpretation of them. If you'd feel more comfortable changing at 50% or 30% remaining oil life, you're free to do so.
You could even do a UOA or two after break-in just to validate the IOLM's estimate of oil life.
Honda has this. Toyota doesn't.

 

[Balrog006]

Originally Posted By: pbm
What method are you guys using to pull oil for a UOA without changing the oil?


The Blackstone pump is great for the price, Amazon and eBay have similar ones but usually for more $. I use my extractor pump, pinch the hose and backdrain into the sample container.

*Most* cars can be sampled thru the dipstick, though some have a baffle.

 

[K20FA5]

Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Kuato
Originally Posted By: UltrafanUK
....

If in doubt, get a UOA with TBN done!


^ This. Probably, but be sure.


Agreed! If I ever decided to push an OCI to 10K I would get a UOA with the TBN. There is no way I'd push it that long because someone else did or does it, especially living in NY and driving under the conditions I drive. Blanket statements like so and so's oil can easily do 10K, can easily get you in trouble. It is very rare you'll find two cars being driven exactly the same, especially when the drivers and their cars are in two different parts of the country. I see some guys can make a 20 mile commute to work in 20 minutes or less, it can take someone from where I live an hour or more. That's just one example. Spend the money on a UOA and be sure.


This is the beauty of an IOLM. No guesswork involved and no need for UOAs and proper interpretation of them. If you'd feel more comfortable changing at 50% or 30% remaining oil life, you're free to do so.
You could even do a UOA or two after break-in just to validate the IOLM's estimate of oil life.
Honda has this. Toyota doesn't.


I don't doubt that Toyota has done their homework on these 10k OCIs. We came from a 2009 Pilot that we bought new. Because of the VCM, the oil life monitor was never used. I changed the oil at 50% (about 5k) due to that engine being hard on the oil. It also only held 4.5 quarts. The OLM in the pilot easily tried to,push the OCI out to almost 10k on the spec'd Dino! There is no way I'd trust that IOLM! That engine cooked the oil in the rear bank!

The 4Runner has no VCM, holds 7 quarts, and specs Syn. I don't doubt, that with the right Syn, it can easily go 10k between changes. I was only asking about the TBN retention of the Synpower.

 

[fdcg27]

Okay, given the one UOA of Synpower posted in this thread, which happened to be from a Toyota V-6, I'd say that Synpower looks iffy for 10K drains.
I'd personally use M1 AFE.
WRT Toyota having done their homework, I wouldn't have doubted that Honda had done the same with the VCM implementation on the V-6. Guess Honda must have used the Cliff's Notes version instead.

 

[FlyNavyP3]

Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Okay, given the one UOA of Synpower posted in this thread, which happened to be from a Toyota V-6, I'd say that Synpower looks iffy for 10K drains.
I'd personally use M1 AFE.
WRT Toyota having done their homework, I wouldn't have doubted that Honda had done the same with the VCM implementation on the V-6. Guess Honda must have used the Cliff's Notes version instead.


I'm the owner of that Toyota engine that ran ~7,000 miles on SynPower. Would I have liked to seen a little higher TBN, sure, who wouldn't. But that oil was in use throughout some pretty harsh conditions detailed below...

This OCI/UOA was performed prior to the car moving to Florida. This oil was in use from Haloween 2015 to May 22, 2016 during that time the car was in Marquette Michigan through the winter and saw several months of winter driving and idling. The GF who drives the car uses the remote start religiously especially in the winter, sometimes for more than one 15 minute cycle if she gets distracted. That being said I conservatively estimate this OCI has no less than 40 hours of the car idling in the driveway or parking lot based on 6 months, 5 days per week, twice per day at 10 minutes each time. That certainly doesn't include idling in traffic or stop lights, weekends, going out to eat etc so I'm sure the idle hours in the cold are much much higher than that. I'd estimate 100+ of which 40 hours are cold start warm ups.

Also during this OCI there were weeks on end with night time lows in the -15 to -25 F range with daytime highs in the single digits. Also a good portion of her trips save for a trip from Marquette to Detroit and the trip to Florida were all short trips of less than 5 miles.

I say all that to say this, although the engine itself may not be hard on oil, the way it was used during this OCI was certainly not easy on oil.

Now that the car is in Florida her daily commute is 108 miles round trip, she still uses the remote starter but it's for AC now instead of heat.

Current fill is 4 quarts M1 5w30 SM spec (leftover from my 427 Corvette) and one quart Redline 5w30 (leftover from my Supercharged 2002 Tacoma) with another FL910S filter the oil currently has ~4500 miles on it. Plan to sample or maybe change it and sample at 7,500 miles, haven't decided if I'm going to leave it in use yet or not.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Kuato
Originally Posted By: UltrafanUK
....

If in doubt, get a UOA with TBN done!


^ This. Probably, but be sure.


Agreed! If I ever decided to push an OCI to 10K I would get a UOA with the TBN. There is no way I'd push it that long because someone else did or does it, especially living in NY and driving under the conditions I drive. Blanket statements like so and so's oil can easily do 10K, can easily get you in trouble. It is very rare you'll find two cars being driven exactly the same, especially when the drivers and their cars are in two different parts of the country. I see some guys can make a 20 mile commute to work in 20 minutes or less, it can take someone from where I live an hour or more. That's just one example. Spend the money on a UOA and be sure.


Personally I'd just change it at 7,500 miles as oil is inexpensive with rebates and sales. UOA's just add costs and have a very limited usefulness...

I won't argue with that. 7.5K miles is a less riskier than 10K w/o data to back it up.