Valvoline Restore and Protect

[ZeeOSix]

My position is that most of the used oil analysis people do are are of very limited utility.

Like some YT videos done with one run on a dyno engine with each oil and then base the oil performance on the level of wear metals seen in the used oil analysis of each oil. Better way to do it would be running 5+ OCIs of one oil (after doing a sacrificial "flush run" of the oil) on a well broken in engine to get a solid baseline, then do the same with the next oil on the same engine in the same use conditions. You'd either see an obvious shift on the wear metal levels or not if one oil was providing more wear protection than the other. That too could be done on a dyno engine, but it would have to be more sophisticated than just running a bunch of pulls over an hour or two period, and instead simultate more closely to a real world use profile OCI.

 

[KEVINK0000]

Like some YT videos done with one run on a dyno engine with each oil and then base the oil performance on the level of wear metals seen in the used oil analysis of each oil. Better way to do it would be running 5+ OCIs of one oil (after doing a sacrificial "flush run" of the oil) on a well broken in engine to get a solid baseline, then do the same with the next oil on the same engine in the same use conditions. You'd either see an obvious shift on the wear metal levels or not if one oil was providing more wear protection than the other. That too could be done on a dyno engine, but it would have to be more sophisticated than just running a bunch of pulls over an hour or two period, and instead simultate more closely to a real world use profile OCI.

In this case, how about this: used oil analysis on one oil run once each time on a dyno for multiple engines, against other oils run once each time on multiple engines. Would that have any value?

And I agree, that 5+ OCIs would give a cleaner, more reliable result.

But why stop at 5? What is the best number to feel comfortable with the results? Would the trend tell you this?

 

[OVERKILL]

Like some YT videos done with one run on a dyno engine with each oil and then base the oil performance on the level of wear metals seen in the used oil analysis of each oil. Better way to do it would be running 5+ OCIs of one oil (after doing a sacrificial "flush run" of the oil) on a well broken in engine to get a solid baseline, then do the same with the next oil on the same engine in the same use conditions. You'd either see an obvious shift on the wear metal levels or not if one oil was providing more wear protection than the other. That too could be done on a dyno engine, but it would have to be more sophisticated than just running a bunch of pulls over an hour or two period, and instead simultate more closely to a real world use profile OCI.

Yeah, dyno testing is at least controlled, most of what we see here are the equivalent of guys trying to determine the difference in quality of generic speaker cables from Best Buy on a stereo that's in the back of a 53ft trailer being driven all over hell's half acre, or, trying to determine the difference in accuracy between boxes of different brands of ammo from a single cold bore shot fired 6 months apart at an outdoor range. On a mountain Top. In Alaska.

 

[ZeeOSix]

In this case, how about this: used oil analysis on one oil run once each time on a dyno for multiple engines, against other oils run once each time on multiple engines. Would that have any value?

And I agree, that 5+ OCIs would give a cleaner, more reliable result.

But why stop at 5? What is the best number to feel comfortable with the results? Would the trend tell you this?

Doing one run on each oil, regardless if on one engine or multiple engines, isn't enough to even get a baseline on each oil. That's why I said 5+ runs, after doing a sacrificial super short OCI (like 25-30 miles) to flush the previous oil out of the system. Might even do two short sacrificial flush runs to be sure of a good starting point for the new oil. With a sacrificial flush OCI, I'd think 5 runs would show a good trend for that oil on that engine - maybe 3 would with two sacrificial flush OCIs, but couldn't verify if 3 did unless you did 5 to see if the trend was still changing after 3 runs. And of course, all used oil analysis would need to be collected the same exact way, and tested by the same lab that's known for accurate UOA testing.

 

[buster]

 

[Hohn]

Yeah, dyno testing is at least controlled, most of what we see here are the equivalent of guys trying to determine the difference in quality of generic speaker cables from Best Buy on a stereo that's in the back of a 53ft trailer being driven all over hell's half acre, or, trying to determine the difference in accuracy between boxes of different brands of ammo from a single cold bore shot fired 6 months apart at an outdoor range. On a mountain Top. In Alaska.

Over the top analogies. I like your style.

 

[tired]

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I can't tell from the sign which they use for "good" "better" and "best."

 

[Japanese]

One more person in the Valvoline Restore and Protect sect.
A friend of mine complained that his V6 Lexus smokes blue on start up.
He is in.

 

[tired]

One more person in the Valvoline Restore and Protect sect.
A friend of mine complained that his V6 Lexus smokes blue on start up.
He is in.

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Could be intake valves. Maybe he will convince you finally.

 

[Japanese]

Could be intake valves. Maybe he will convince you finally.

I convinced him. He's never heard of it. I mentioned him the valves stem seals.
Mine is awaiting my next oil change. (the picture above is of my jug)

 

[tired]

I convinced him. He's never heard of it. I mentioned him the valves stem seals.
Mine is awaiting my next oil change. (the picture above is of my jug)

Ok. Last I heard, even though you are burning oil, you were sticking with Mobil 1 Extended Performance 0W-20 and remained suspicious of Valvoline Restore and Protect.

 

[Japanese]

... and remained suspicious of Valvoline Restore and Protect.

No, I had not.
I said that I'll use my last jug of Mobil 1 Extended Performance 0w-20, exchange my Valvoline Restore and Protect 0W-20 (which I already bought by that time) for 5W-30 and then start using it next spring.

Hi everyone,
I changed a bit my plans for Valvoline Restore and Protect. Since I have already an open jug of Mobil 1 Extended Performance 0W-20, with about 3 qt in it, I'll use it at my next OCI. If I leave it and do 3-4 OCI with Valvoline Restore and Protect that oil will stay at least an year open which I don't want.
So for that reason, I'll exchange my Valvoline Restore and Protect 0W-20 jug for 5W-30 and start using the oil next spring, instead of over the winter.
Also, since there is already VOA, I'll probably do only used oil analysis. I'm planning to change only the filter half way through at 2500 miles.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...t-0w-20-cannot-find-voa-and-uoa.398840/page-4

 

[Sequoiasoon]

Instead of starting another thread I thought I just throw this data point out here. At about 1500 miles into running this on a new engine, I had to change the filter. Engine was just getting way to noisy and gutless - and in past experience it has usually been the filter not the oil. So, I gabbed another MOPAR MO339 filter from Walmart and braved the cold and ice and pulled the old filter and installed the fresh one.
Presto all nice and quiet and normal again. Never in a million years would I expect gumming or clogging on a new engine - if that is what the mechanism was. I save all my filters during the warranty period so I don't want to cut it - not that I could test the filter paper since I don't work near a lab anymore. Car was 2025 Jeep Compass with the (detuned) 2.0L turbo engine - similar to those installed in the Wrangler 4 bangers.
p.s.: The engine has a total of ~2500 miles on it so far; the Valvoline Restore and Protect 5W-30 went in at 990 miles.
- Arco

It would be interesting to cut that one open and inspect it. Mark the details and keep in a ziploc if you a want to keep them.

 

[Japanese]

Did you notice that Valvoline Restore and Protect 0W-16 is officially on the Valvoline website?
It's API SQ and ILSAC GF-7B.
https://www.valvolineglobal.com/en/restore-and-protect-full-synthetic-sae-0w-16/

And the PDS
https://sharena21.springcm.com/Publ...4c2929fe/c1604d50-ad98-f011-b824-9440c99fa601

Valvoline also has 0W-8 as part of the Advanced series. Not sure how recent is that.

 

[OilStained]

One more person in the Valvoline Restore and Protect sect.
A friend of mine complained that his V6 Lexus smokes blue on start up.
He is in.

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With everyone that believes and buying in, we can make it back-to-back.

 

[buster]

Some recent images I came across.

F-150
2k miles on Valvoline Restore and Protect

Before:

After:

2007 Sienna

 

[tired]

This will be an interesting experiment. There has been speculation that Valvoline Restore and Protect needs a hot engine to work.

 

[4wd]

This will be an interesting experiment. There has been speculation that Valvoline Restore and Protect needs a hot engine to work.

Curiosity is a time consuming sport !

 

[Japanese]

This will be an interesting experiment. There has been speculation that Valvoline Restore and Protect needs a hot engine to work.

That would've been much more interesting if he soaked the piston in Valvoline Restore and Protect initially, not after he soaked it in B12.

 

[tired]

That would've been much more interesting if he soaked the piston in Valvoline Restore and Protect initially, not after he soaked it in B12.

Agreed