Very interesting. Good find.
Just give us xW-40 synthetic, Valvoline, c'mon. Or xW-30 with VW 504...
Valvoline Restore and Protect
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Just give us xW-40 synthetic, Valvoline, c'mon. Or xW-30 with VW 504...
That would be nice. Will be interesting to see where this chemistry goes from here. Synthetic blend? meh. Maybe a lower cost option I guess.
Chevron must still be dumping base oils.
Or maybe Venezuela oil makes good group I and II base oils...
Good option for those that complain about $29 oil….
Good point. Probably a smart marketing move.
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Thank you!
Where did you find those pictures you uploaded. I can't find anything about a blend in my searches. Even the part numbers don't get me anywhere and the Valvoline site just keeps giving the full synthetic.
It will be a good while before this product is released. I think @buster was the one who broke the news on the Valvoline Restore and Protect ATF from the same resource.
It's from an approvals website I believe. (Edit: SDS database.)
(Link here) is where he dropped the Valvoline Restore and Protect ATF I believe. March 2025. It's rolling out now.
Maybe similar timeline before we see these come out?
Or if you have an older vehicle? A lot of folks have only run conventional and/or synthetic blends (same thing these days?) for decades. There's a common belief out there that suddenly switching from conventional/blend to "fully synthetic" can cause oil leaks at various seals. I could see Valvoline Restore and Protect in a synthetic blend appealing for this reason, and it wouldn't hurt if it was a few bucks cheaper either.
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I took it as him saying that the claims about an uptick in wear metals with other (predominantly boutique) oils "claiming" to clean, and this being a byproduct, are spurious, given that he doesn't seem to be seeing that same trend in the Valvoline Restore and Protect used oil analysis shared so far.
I'm not sure he was saying it's spurious. Just that the uptick in metals seen with HPL and maybe Valvoline Premium Blue Restore are from those cleaning oils liberating deposits which contain wear metals within, causing the uptick on used oil analysis. I think he's just wondering why if that's true, we don't also see that with Valvoline Restore and Protect if it's also cleaning, since it seems to return used oil analysis with low wear metals. I think he was just asking why we don't see that. Anyway, that's the way I took his question. I don't think he was saying that HPL isn't cleaning too. He was just looking for an explanation in the discrepancy, that's all (by my read anyway).
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Really?
How else would you take that, with "cleaning" in quotes?
I personally didn't experience any "uptick" in metals with HPL, which has been the case for probably the majority. What I did find was a series of ugly used oil analysis with Valvoline Premium Blue Restore, which I shared, in an engine which was known to be utterly filthy.
Now, I have not been following the usage of Valvoline Restore and Protect closely, but has anybody used it in an application like the one I've linked and done a series of similar used oil analysis? A lot of the applications have been oil burners, where consumption slowed or stopped, but that doesn't necessarily mean the rest of the engine was full of deposits like that one was.
Also, oils like Redline, with higher levels of esters, often increase the concentration of certain metals as observed in used oil analysis. This is generally accepted as chelation, and not mechanical wear.
When I picked up the Valvoline Restore and Protect 5W-20 for our daughter's CR-V on Sunday, the Walmart Superstore I went to didn't have any on the shelf for this viscosity, but on the top shelf, requiring a ladder, there were jugs turned backwards where you couldn't see the viscosity. I tracked someone down to get a ladder to start pulling jugs. The first two he pulled were 5W-20... almost as if someone was trying to hide them. I found more jugs on a top shelf across from the oil, also. Hmmm.
I was just taking it as the emphasis of the sentence, on "cleaning." Maybe he is suspicious of the claims. I was just trying to take it as best as possible. It's unfortunately not an area I could offer any insight, so I didn't have an answer for him.
I think this is what he was probably looking for.
Good point; maybe the used oil analysis from the engines running Valvoline Restore and Protect are just from otherwise generally clean engines that just had piston ring deposits. We may not have seen one from a real sludge monster or an engine covered in varnish. Hohn cleaned out his Odyssey with it, but I don't think he sent used oil analysis from that engine. He was loading up filters really well though from just the varnish. No oil burning in that engine.
So sought after that people stash them in hiding places to get them later, lol.
CleanSump
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If it's $10 cheaper per 5qt jug and comes out before my SD's 2008 Accord's next change, it may get a run.
I think what I said was pretty clear. For the record:
I am familiar with the concept that chelation causes UOA results to skew, from reading BITOG.
I believe HPL is great oil, and people who use it properly are getting their money’s worth. If I owned ( like I plan to) a V10 BMW M5, I would pay them to develop an oil for it to try to keep the bearings in the car, if they don’t make a specific formula already. I am encouraged by what I see and read about HPL.
There are numerous used oil analysis on here, where less than the expected stellar results with expensive or highly touted, and/or fanboi oil were explained away by the idea that “cleaning “ was causing the results to skew to a generally mediocre result.
I find it fascinating that nobody yet that I have seen from the “cleaning crew” has commented on the fact that RP gives some of the lowest wear numbers for a given engine on here, and yet is also cleaning.
I wonder how this oil accomplishes this, and I also wonder if the cleaning aspects of the oil skew the results better by some yet unknown factor specific to the chemistry.
I am familiar with the concept that chelation causes UOA results to skew, from reading BITOG.
I believe HPL is great oil, and people who use it properly are getting their money’s worth. If I owned ( like I plan to) a V10 BMW M5, I would pay them to develop an oil for it to try to keep the bearings in the car, if they don’t make a specific formula already. I am encouraged by what I see and read about HPL.
There are numerous used oil analysis on here, where less than the expected stellar results with expensive or highly touted, and/or fanboi oil were explained away by the idea that “cleaning “ was causing the results to skew to a generally mediocre result.
I find it fascinating that nobody yet that I have seen from the “cleaning crew” has commented on the fact that RP gives some of the lowest wear numbers for a given engine on here, and yet is also cleaning.
I wonder how this oil accomplishes this, and I also wonder if the cleaning aspects of the oil skew the results better by some yet unknown factor specific to the chemistry.
I found the lady with ladder. She found 2 of what I was looking for so I bought both. Only went in for one. Shelves were empty.
I reached out to Valvoline about these products and their response was "we only advise on products sold within the U.S.". Does this mean they won't be available here or just that until it comes out, they have to respond as though it doesn't exist?
Probably the latter. Most tech service is very very basic. They often don't even know about a product until it reaches the shelves (recently Mobil with Mobil 1 Advanced Clean).
These companies don't expect weirdos like us to be fishing around their SDS database.
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