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KEVINK0000 said:
I think what I said was pretty clear.
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I did as well.
KEVINK0000 said:
For the record:

I am familiar with the concept that chelation causes UOA results to skew, from reading BITOG.

I believe HPL is great oil, and people who use it properly are getting their money’s worth. If I owned ( like I plan to) a V10 BMW M5, I would pay them to develop an oil for it to try to keep the bearings in the car, if they don’t make a specific formula already. I am encouraged by what I see and read about HPL.

There are numerous used oil analysis on here, where less than the expected stellar results with expensive or highly touted, and/or fanboi oil were explained away by the idea that “cleaning “ was causing the results to skew to a generally mediocre result.
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Sure, but you are making an inference from an inference. Arguing that an oil's performance can not only be gleaned from inexpensive used oil analysis, but contrasted with other products. You are well aware of my position on that.

And yes, chelation has been tossed out as a potential factor in some of those conversations. Redline is probably the most common lube where that has been mentioned.
KEVINK0000 said:
I find it fascinating that nobody yet that I have seen from the “cleaning crew” has commented on the fact that RP gives some of the lowest wear numbers for a given engine on here, and yet is also cleaning.

I wonder how this oil accomplishes this, and I also wonder if the cleaning aspects of the oil skew the results better by some yet unknown factor specific to the chemistry.
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Who is this "cleaning crew" that you are referring to? If you are going to take a dig at them it would be polite to at least tag them so they can attempt to explain themselves, no? 🤷‍♂️

Valvoline Restore and Protect gives pretty typical API oil used oil analysis. It doesn't use esters (unlike Valvoline Premium Blue Restore), so we aren't going to see the surface interactions we might with ester heavy oils.

That said, in engines like mine, where we saw material in the oil filter with a lube like HPL, there was no appreciable change in metals on the UOA. This was an otherwise clean engine, which goes back to the point I was making with respect to that Valvoline Premium Blue Restore application, have we seen an engine that dirty run onValvoline Restore and Protectwith a similar series of used oil analysis?
 
I wonder if finding engineers in LinkedIn and private messaging them there (or publicly commenting even) can get any info scratched off.
 
So, I'm not about to spend hours reading 170 pages of posts, mostly arguing and this may have been mentioned before but Lake Speed Jr is a real tribologist. He has done several in depth analyses on his YT channel with all the receipts and indicates this stuff is for real. I know there are a few people as intelligent/educated as he is on here. Most are not. Go check it out and draw your own conclusions. But, me? When I'm done with my stash of Quaker State Full Synthetic, I'm making the switch.
 
OVERKILL said:
I did as well.

Sure, but you are making an inference from an inference. Arguing that an oil's performance can not only be gleaned from inexpensive used oil analysis, but contrasted with other products. You are well aware of my position on that.
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Yes and I don’t think we will agree.
OVERKILL said:
And yes, chelation has been tossed out as a potential factor in some of those conversations. Redline is probably the most common lube where that has been mentioned.

Who is this "cleaning crew" that you are referring to? If you are going to take a dig at them it would be polite to at least tag them so they can attempt to explain themselves, no? 🤷‍♂️
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The posts with this rationale are numerous. Those folks can find their own way here and say something if they want.
OVERKILL said:
Valvoline Restore and Protect gives pretty typical API oil used oil analysis. It doesn't use esters (unlike Valvoline Premium Blue Restore), so we aren't going to see the surface interactions we might with ester heavy oils.
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I see different. I see very low wear consistently with RP, usually it’s the lowest in a series on that particular engine, but I’m not arguing over 1ppm less, etc. There does seem to be a pattern developing, you either see it or you don’t. Again, if a $30 used oil analysis is too noisy and inconsistent to you to glean any useful wear information, I won’t contend the point, it’s been done a million times.
OVERKILL said:
That said, in engines like mine, where we saw material in the oil filter with a lube like HPL, there was no appreciable change in metals on the used oil analysis. This was an otherwise clean engine, which goes back to the point I was making with respect to that Valvoline Premium Blue Restore application, have we seen an engine that dirty run onValvoline Restore and Protectwith a similar series of used oil analysis?
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I see carbon in the filter of our N52 with all the oils we have used, from Belgian Castrol to Mobil 1 to Quaker State Euro and API. No RP yet, but it’s definitely in the future. Not sure if your HPL experience is an indicator of similar action to what RP does. There have been some dirty engines, not sure if the ones listed so far would satisfy your question.
 
KEVINK0000 said:
Yes and I don’t think we will agree.
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No, as we haven't in past discussions.
KEVINK0000 said:
The posts with this rationale are numerous. Those folks can find their own way here and say something if they want.
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I'm sure there are specific members you are thinking of no? I just think it's a bit dirty to be taking a dig at people but not tagging them to give them a chance to respond to your characterization of them.
KEVINK0000 said:
I see different. I see very low wear consistently with RP, usually it’s the lowest in a series on that particular engine, but I’m not arguing over 1ppm less, etc. There does seem to be a pattern developing, you either see it or you don’t. Again, if a $30 used oil analysis is too noisy and inconsistent to you to glean any useful wear information, I won’t contend the point, it’s been done a million times.
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I guess we could look at a few examples, though most of the used oil analysis posted are either successive runs of Valvoline Restore and Protect, have no previous used oil analysis history, or are on relatively new engines. I did find these:

All numbers are iron. We could add aluminum if you want.

1. 2014 Toyota Venza:
- ??? - 1.25ppm/1000 miles
- ??? - 1.83ppm/1000 miles
- ??? - 1.10ppm/1000 miles
-Valvoline Restore and Protect- 0.94ppm/1000 miles

2. 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser:
- AMSOIL Signature Series 0w30 - 1.65ppm/1000 miles
- AMSOIL Signature Series 0w30 - 0.75ppm/1000 miles
- Amsoil AMO 10W-40 - 0.98ppm/1000 miles
- Amsoil AMO 10W-40 - 0.50ppm/1000 miles
- Amsoil AMO 10W-40 - 1.40ppm/1000 miles
- Amsoil ACD 10W-30 - 1.20ppm/1000 miles
- Super Tech 5W-30 - 1.88ppm/1000 miles
- Mobil 1 5W-30 - 1.91ppm/1000 miles
- Mobil 1 5W-30 - 1.69ppm/1000 miles
- Mobil 1 5W-30 - 1.66ppm/1000 miles
- Mobil Delvac 1 ESP 5W-40 - 1.64ppm/1000 miles
- Mobil Delvac 1 ESP 5W-30 - 1.44ppm/1000 miles
- Mobil Delvac 1 ESP 5W-30 - 2.30ppm/1000 miles
- Mobil 1 5W-20 - 1.88ppm/1000 miles
- Super Tech 5W-30 & Valvoline Premium Blue Restore 10W-30 – 1.33ppm/1000 miles
- Valvoline Restore and Protect 5w30 - 1.60ppm/1000 miles

3. 2007 Lexus RX400H:
- Kirkland 5W-30 - 1.62ppm/1000 miles
- Kirkland 5W-30 - 1.06ppm/1000 miles
- Kirkland 5W-30 - 1.44ppm/1000 miles
- Valvoline Restore and Protect 5W-30 - 1.01ppm/1000 miles
- Valvoline Restore and Protect 5W-30 - 0.78ppm/1000 miles

4. 2018 Honda CRV:
- Mobil 1 ESP 5W-30 - 6.44ppm/1000 miles
- Mobil 1 Extended Performance High Mileage 5W-30 - 8.90ppm/1000 miles
- Castrol Euro 5W-40 - 3.46ppm/1000 miles
- Castrol Euro 5W-40 - 8.97ppm/1000 miles
- Valvoline Restore and Protect 5W-30 - 3.52pm/1000 miles

5. 2003 Honda Civic:
- Pennzoil Euro L 5W-30 - 4.65ppm/1000 miles
- Mobil 1 Extended Performance High Mileage 5W-30 - 5.67ppm/1000 miles
- Castrol EDGE Euro 5W-40 - 6.33ppm/1000 miles
- Castrol EDGE Euro 5W-40 - 6.59ppm/1000 miles
-Valvoline Restore and Protect5W-30 - 3.74ppm/1000 miles

6. 2012 Jeep Liberty:
- Pennzoil Platinum High Mileage 5W-20 - 1.35ppm/1000 miles
- Pennzoil Platinum High Mileage 5W-20 - 2.03ppm/1000 miles
- Pennzoil Platinum High Mileage 5W-20 - 2.15ppm/1000 miles
- Valvoline Restore and Protect 5W-20 - 2.43ppm/1000 miles

On vehicle number 1, the difference is 2ppm between the Valvoline Restore and Protect run and the previous sample, which is statistical noise.
On vehicle number 2, the AMSOIL products clearly provided the lowest average wear rates of any oil used.
On vehicle number 3, the difference is 1 or 2ppm between Valvoline Restore and Protect and Kirkland, all on similar length OCI's, statistical noise.
On vehicle number 4, the difference is 1 or 2ppm between Valvoline Restore and Protect and one of the Castrol runs. Other runs are too short. Not a great example unfortunately.
On vehicle number 5, the difference is 1 ppm between Valvoline Restore and Protect and Pennzoil Euro L, run difference is 500 miles. Statistical noise.
On vehicle number 6, this engine appears to have an increasing wear rate regardless of oil used, we can ignore Valvoline Restore and Protect's higher wear rate here IMHO.
KEVINK0000 said:
I see carbon in the filter of our N52 with all the oils we have used, from Belgian Castrol to Mobil 1 to Quaker State Euro and API. No Royal Purple yet, but it’s definitely in the future. Not sure if your HPL experience is an indicator of similar action to what RP does. There have been some dirty engines, not sure if the ones listed so far would satisfy your question.
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We have had plenty of discussion about engines that had clean filters that suddenly were showing tons of carbonaceous grit in the filters when switched to HPL. Your N52 is DI, correct? Which tend to produce soot. The HEMI is port injected, and while not the cleanest running engine, generally returned reasonably grit-free filters until I started it on HPL. This eventually tapered off over subsequent OCI's. Wayne and several other members had the same experience, so the assumption is this material is being liberated from somewhere, possibly the ring land area, but we aren't 100% sure on that.

In my search of Valvoline Restore and Protect used oil analysis, I didn't see anything that resembled the Valvoline Premium Blue Restore series I shared (which shows majorly elevated wear metals on an extremely filthy engine over a long series of OCI's). I did find some bad runs on Valvoline Restore and Protect, including one in a Mustang, but these are one-off samples, so not significant in terms of establishing any sort of trend as to the behavior of the product.
 
OVERKILL said:
No, as we haven't in past discussions.

I'm sure there are specific members you are thinking of no? I just think it's a bit dirty to be taking a dig at people but not tagging them to give them a chance to respond to your characterization of them.

I guess we could look at a few examples, though most of the used oil analysis posted are either successive runs of Valvoline Restore and Protect, have no previous UOA history, or are on relatively new engines. I did find these:

All numbers are iron. We could add aluminum if you want.

1. 2014 Toyota Venza:
- ??? - 1.25ppm/1000 miles
- ??? - 1.83ppm/1000 miles
- ??? - 1.10ppm/1000 miles
- Valvoline Restore and Protect - 0.94ppm/1000 miles

2. 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser:
- AMSOIL Signature Series 0w30 - 1.65ppm/1000 miles
- AMSOIL Signature Series 0w30 - 0.75ppm/1000 miles
- Amsoil AMO 10W-40 - 0.98ppm/1000 miles
- Amsoil AMO 10W-40 - 0.50ppm/1000 miles
- Amsoil AMO 10W-40 - 1.40ppm/1000 miles
- Amsoil ACD 10W-30 - 1.20ppm/1000 miles
- Super Tech 5W-30 - 1.88ppm/1000 miles
- Mobil 1 5W-30 - 1.91ppm/1000 miles
- Mobil 1 5W-30 - 1.69ppm/1000 miles
- Mobil 1 5W-30 - 1.66ppm/1000 miles
- Mobil Delvac 1 ESP 5W-40 - 1.64ppm/1000 miles
- Mobil Delvac 1 ESP 5W-30 - 1.44ppm/1000 miles
- Mobil Delvac 1 ESP 5W-30 - 2.30ppm/1000 miles
- Mobil 1 5W-20 - 1.88ppm/1000 miles
- Super Tech 5W-30 & Valvoline Premium Blue Restore 10W-30 – 1.33ppm/1000 miles
- Valvoline Restore and Protect 5w30 - 1.60ppm/1000 miles

3. 2007 Lexus RX400H:
- Kirkland 5W-30 - 1.62ppm/1000 miles
- Kirkland 5W-30 - 1.06ppm/1000 miles
- Kirkland 5W-30 - 1.44ppm/1000 miles
- Valvoline Restore and Protect 5W-30 - 1.01ppm/1000 miles
- Valvoline Restore and Protect 5W-30 - 0.78ppm/1000 miles

4. 2018 Honda CRV:
- Mobil 1 ESP 5W-30 - 6.44ppm/1000 miles
- Mobil 1 Extended Performance High Mileage 5W-30 - 8.90ppm/1000 miles
- Castrol EDGE Euro 5W-40 - 3.46ppm/1000 miles
- Castrol EDGE Euro 5W-40 - 8.97ppm/1000 miles
- Valvoline Restore and Protect 5W-30 - 3.52pm/1000 miles

5. 2003 Honda Civic:
- Pennzoil Euro L 5W-30 - 4.65ppm/1000 miles
- Mobil 1 Extended Performance High Mileage 5W-30 - 5.67ppm/1000 miles
- Castrol EDGE Euro 5W-40 - 6.33ppm/1000 miles
- Castrol EDGE Euro 5W-40 - 6.59ppm/1000 miles
- Valvoline Restore and Protect 5W-30 - 3.74ppm/1000 miles

6. 2012 Jeep Liberty:
- Pennzoil Platinum High Mileage 5W-20 - 1.35ppm/1000 miles
- Pennzoil Platinum High Mileage 5W-20 - 2.03ppm/1000 miles
- Pennzoil Platinum High Mileage 5W-20 - 2.15ppm/1000 miles
- Valvoline Restore and Protect5 W-20 - 2.43ppm/1000 miles

On vehicle number 1, the difference is 2ppm between the Valvoline Restore and Protect run and the previous sample, which is statistical noise.
On vehicle number 2, the AMSOIL products clearly provided the lowest average wear rates of any oil used.
On vehicle number 3, the difference is 1 or 2ppm between Valvoline Restore and Protect and Kirkland, all on similar length OCI's, statistical noise.
On vehicle number 4, the difference is 1 or 2ppm between Valvoline Restore and Protect and one of the Castrol runs. Other runs are too short. Not a great example unfortunately.
On vehicle number 5, the difference is 1 ppm between Valvoline Restore and Protect and Pennzoil Euro L, run difference is 500 miles. Statistical noise.
On vehicle number 6, this engine appears to have an increasing wear rate regardless of oil used, we can ignore Valvoline Restore and Protect's higher wear rate here IMHO.

We have had plenty of discussion about engines that had clean filters that suddenly were showing tons of carbonaceous grit in the filters when switched to HPL. Your N52 is DI, correct? Which tend to produce soot. The HEMI is port injected, and while not the cleanest running engine, generally returned reasonably grit-free filters until I started it on HPL. This eventually tapered off over subsequent OCI's. Wayne and several other members had the same experience, so the assumption is this material is being liberated from somewhere, possibly the ring land area, but we aren't 100% sure on that.

In my search of Valvoline Restore and Protect used oil analysis, I didn't see anything that resembled the Valvoline Premium Blue Restore series I shared (which shows majorly elevated wear metals on an extremely filthy engine over a long series of OCI's). I did find some bad runs on Valvoline Restore and Protect, including one in a Mustang, but these are one-off samples, so not significant in terms of establishing any sort of trend as to the behavior of the product.
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I can fill in the information.
Venza:
- HPL Euro Passenger Car 5w-30 - 1.25ppm/1000 miles (5k UOA)
- HPL Euro Passenger Car 5w-30 - 1.83ppm/1000 miles ( a new oil filter installed at 5k but did a 10k UOA)
- Valvoline Extended Protection High Mileage - 1.10ppm/1000 miles
- Valvoline Restore and Protect - 0.94ppm/1000 miles
 
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OilStained said:
And then would it be Valvoline Restore and Protect for life or could it be something else?
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Valvoline Restore and Protect is their top gas engine oil, according to Valvoline themselves. It can be used in brand new cars until you wear them out. The varnish and piston ring deposit cleaning is just a side effect of using it. Valvoline does say if you are trying it just for the cleaning, use it for a minimum of four oil change intervals. If it is going to help your problem, it takes that many oil changes to work. However, if your engine piston rings are literally worn out, the Valvoline won't fix an oil consumption problem if parts need replaced (engine overhaul).
 
Patrick0525 said:
I can fill in the information.
Venza:
- HPL Euro Passenger Car 5w-30 - 1.25ppm/1000 miles (5k UOA)
- HPL Euro Passenger Car 5w-30 - 1.83ppm/1000 miles ( a new oil filter installed at 5k but did a 10k UOA)
- Valvoline Extended Protection High Mileage - 1.10ppm/1000 miles
-Valvoline Restore and Protect- 0.94ppm/1000 miles
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Perfect, so the two API products performed the same. The two Euro oils showed slightly higher, but statistically insignificant, iron (which isn't unusual).
 
BMW N52 - 1 OCI of Valvoline Restore and Protect.

Before:
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After:
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OVERKILL said:
Perfect, so the two API products performed the same. The two Euro oils showed slightly higher, but statistically insignificant, iron (which isn't unusual).
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From my data, it suggests that a 10k HPL oil interval even with a 5k oil filter change, the iron wear rate was double that of Valvoline Restore and Protect. A 10k oil interval contains higher accumulative levels of Fe that cannot be removed by a new filter but only by a full oil change.
 
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OilStained said:
Wow, cleaned off the QR code. It’s that good.
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It's like the car restoration far-East videos on Youtube - guy starts restoring a rusted MB E-Class shell on a muddy Malaysian street then drives away in a restored C-Class 😊
Then again, could it be that the QR code is on the other side of the cam😙
 
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