Valvoline Restore and Protect drawbacks?

[ZeeOSix]

The so-called Turbos in today's Engines are Liquid Cooled? What is the weight of the oil these engines are specking? It is either 5W-30 or a lower grade.

What I've seen is that the turbo version of the same engine typically gets a grade higher than the non-turbo version.

 

[Faawrenchbndr]

Main con is the lack of Dexos 1 approval.

It’s not an issue for non GM owners

 

[TiGeo]

The so-called Turbos in today's Engines are Liquid Cooled? What is the weight of the oil these engines are specking? It is either 5W-30 or a lower grade.

So called?

 

[Hohn]

So called?

I think this one is air-cooled.

 

[Snagglefoot]

Was thinking about the long-term ramifications of using Valvoline Restore and Protect. Just wondering if there are any downsides to using it. Could Valvoline Restore and Protect be harder on engine gaskets and seals than other oils? Because it chews up sludge and varnish, could it also chew on gaskets and seals?

Oh man, that’s all that’s keeping my 2005 Taurus together.

 

[Ray S]

As in Mopar RB-block 413?

yes, 413-1 Industrial, geared cam, sodium valves w/o stem seals 1" taller heads for coolant, 7.5-1 pistons

 

[AntiCarbon87]

No gummy or sticky rings in 25 years

Let me see. Nope don’t need Valvoline Restore and Protect.

2009 K24 Acura TSX Nothing but Amsoil Signature from day one and guess what, oil consumption started around 80k miles. By 120k miles it was buring a quart every 1500 miles. I did a Berryman B-12 piston soak and that got the oil consumption down massively. So no, Amsoil is not immune to ring-land carbon buildup.

 

[tired]

2009 K24 Acura TSX Nothing but Amsoil Signature from day one and guess what, oil consumption started around 80k miles. By 120k miles it was buring a quart every 1500 miles. I did a Berryman B-12 piston soak and that got the oil consumption down massively. So no, Amsoil is not immune to ring-land carbon buildup.

Interesting. Important data point. Thanks for sharing. How long were your OCIs?

 

[AntiCarbon87]

Interesting. Important data point. Thanks for sharing. How long were your OCIs?

Way back in the day I was doing 5k-6k miles.

 

[tired]

Way back in the day I was doing 5k-6k miles.

Did you stretch them out later on?

 

[AntiCarbon87]

Did you stretch them out later on?

No I never went longer than that. I used Trip B just for oil changes and reset the Maintenance Minder with trip because Honda/Acura wanted me to go almost 9k miles otherwise. The car was totaled out at 135k from hitting a Deer. One of the better cars I owned.

 

[Big O Dave]

Was thinking about the long-term ramifications of using Valvoline Restore and Protect. Just wondering if there are any downsides to using it. Could Valvoline Restore and Protect be harder on engine gaskets and seals than other oils? Because it chews up sludge and varnish, could it also chew on gaskets and seals?

I don’t think it would have any negative impact on gaskets and/or seals, at all.

The only drawback I see is the lack of a 0W-40 competitor to Mobil 1 ESP X4 0W-40.

 

[Big O Dave]

OilStained, am I missing something?

 

[Japanese]

So chemistry dictates that the carbon itself is not being dissolved, it is being dislodge by having its adhesion degraded. It's fundamentally a mechanical removal even if by chemical means.

So, the VRP oil doesn't disolve the carbon, just dislodges it from its location. Then how that carbon goes through the oil pick up screen and oil filter if it's just been dislodged, but not dissolved?

 

[goingplacesanddoingstuff]

So, the VRP oil doesn't disolve the carbon, just dislodges it from its location. Then how that carbon goes through the oil pick up screen and oil filter if it's just been dislodged, but not dissolved?

Solid carbon doesn’t really ever dissolve in oil. At best it is dispersed into colloidal suspension.

I presume that the secret ingredient in Restore & Protect dissolves the polymerized/oxidized hydrocarbon material that binds the carbon particles, allowing the solid carbon to go back into suspension.

 

[Japanese]

The so-called Turbos in today's Engines are Liquid Cooled? What is the weight of the oil these engines are specking? It is either 5W-30 or a lower grade.

So, what turbos back in the days were not liquid cooled? To be most precisely—antifreeze cooled, because oil itself is a liquid too.
Turbo engines need oil with HTHS at least 3.5 cP (VRP is 3.24 cP, afaik) and most today's 5W-30 oils don't cover that (especially the API / ILSAC oils for EPA reasons), except some Euro oils. So no—5W-30 oils and lower grades do not satisfy turbo engines needs for both gasoline and diesel.

 

[Japanese]

Solid carbon doesn’t really ever dissolve in oil. At best it is dispersed into colloidal suspension.

I presume that the secret ingredient in Restore & Protect dissolves the polymerized/oxidized hydrocarbon material that binds the carbon particles, allowing the solid carbon to go back into suspension.

Thanks for that.
I'm trying to ask that when we have chucks or residue of carbon at random places in the engine and those junks get smaller or disappear, their particles or debris suspended in the oil is some type of dissolving?

 

[ZeeOSix]

So, the VRP oil doesn't disolve the carbon, just dislodges it from its location. Then how that carbon goes through the oil pick up screen and oil filter if it's just been dislodged, but not dissolved?

The dislodged debris is small enough to go through the pickup screen and pump, but gets caught in the filter. We've seen plenty of filters with lots of debris in the pleats after running Valvilone R&P in engines that are really dirty.

 

[ZeeOSix]

So, what turbos back in the days were not liquid cooled? To be most precisely—antifreeze cooled, because oil itself is a liquid too.
Turbo engines need oil with HTHS at least 3.5 cP (VRP is 3.24 cP, afaik) and most today's 5W-30 oils don't cover that (especially the API / ILSAC oils for EPA reasons), except some Euro oils. So no—5W-30 oils and lower grades do not satisfy turbo engines needs for both gasoline and diesel.

There are lots of turboed engines that specify a xW-30, non-Euro spec oil. Ford for example in all their Ecoboost turboed engines.

 

[methusaleh]

The dislodged debris is small enough to go through the pickup screen and pump, but gets caught in the filter. We've seen plenty of filters with lots of debris in the pleats after running Valvilone R&P in engines that are really dirty.

Interesting that you say that- it was a thought I had the other day.

Last week I did a BG109 treatment on my in-laws’ MDX with the infamous oil consumption issue. It now has a VRP fill…I was thinking of changing the filter “early” after perhaps 1000 miles because I’m hoping it will catch a lot of stuff the BG109 dislodged that the VRP then enhanced.

FWIW, I used the method someone on here recommended about a year ago. That is, I changed the oil and filter, added BG109, got the engine up to operating temperature, then held it at 2000RPM for 20 minutes. Changed that oil and filter (oil was black and filter was heavy!), and put in the VRP. Filter is the latest OEM version, purchased directly from Honda.