Valvoline oil supplements.

Mystic · Oct 15, 2003

There has been some talk here about Valvoline oil supplements, so I checked the Valvoline web site and they apparently have three oil supplements and engine treatments! One is a MaxLife oil supplement, another a SynPower oil supplement, and then a SynPower engine treatment.

How good are these oil supplements? If used with Valvoline motor oil do they bring the Valvoline motor oils up to a level comparable to Pennzoil and Castrol?

GSV · Oct 15, 2003

How good are these oil supplements? If used with Valvoline motor oil do they bring the Valvoline motor oils up to a level comparable to Pennzoil and Castrol?

Maybe, but you'll spend more than you need to. Just buy the Castrol, Pennzoil or Chevron.

BlueBird · Oct 16, 2003

I read the VOA on Maxlife Engine Protector and since so many on here think moly as a additive is good for a engine and the Engine Protector is loaded with it i thought id experiment a little. I had the oil changed on my 90k 5.2 Ram with 10w-30 Durablend and added 8oz (1/2 bottle) of the Engine Protector. First thing i noticed was that the engine is much quieter. Will do a UOA in a few months.

Mystic · Oct 16, 2003

We really need some UOAs on a few additional motor oils. At this site you see lots of VOAs and UOAs on Pennzoil, Castrol, Chevron Supreme, various synthetic oils, etc. But some oils that are very common have not been tested. When it comes to conventional motor oils, Quaker State I think is the number two selling motor oil in the USA, but VOAs and UOAs on this oil, if any, are few and far between. There are some synthetic oils that have rarely if ever been tested, including Pennzoil Synthetic and Quaker State Synthetic. And a lot of people have rejected Valvoline motor oils, because they don't have moly, but I have not seen very many VOAs and UOAs on Valvoline so we may be misjudging these motor oils (and some do have moly, such as MaxLife-I think it has moly).

MolaKule · Oct 16, 2003

The UOA's and VOA's are sent in by individual contributors who paid for the analysis themselves.

There is no organized effort here to take every additive and every PCMO and do an analysis.

Members can contribute to the vast knowledge database we have here by having VOA's and UOA's done and then posting the results.

Robbie Alexander · Oct 16, 2003

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Originally posted by BlueBird:
-*-*-* I had the oil changed on my 90k 5.2 Ram with 10w-30 Durablend and added 8oz (1/2 bottle) of the Engine Protector. First thing i noticed was that the engine is much quieter. Will do a UOA in a few months.

I donno the amount of moly, but thw higher it gets the more quiet it sounds. Now, to blow your mind, the Natural moly will make it IMO sound about 3-5 times as quiet as with the Syn Moly.
My Tacoma with it in there almost sounds like it's turned off, even pounding the peddle to the floor to pass and on the expressway... It's quiet, too bad I'm going to have to go back to the Syn Moly.

BlueBird · Oct 16, 2003

Robbie - so your using Valvoline Engine Protector ? what kind of moly does it have Syn or Natural ? anyway , what brand/grade of oil did you add it to ? any sludge issues you see using a oil additive ? I called Valvoline and asked if VEP could be added to Durablend instead of Maxlife. The guy said it wouldnt hurt but you would get more benefit from using it with Maxlife. I dont think he was the right person to ask anyway.

BlueBird · Oct 17, 2003

Anybody have any opinions on valvoline Engine Protector ? good to use or not ? would it cause more problems ?

Mystic · Oct 17, 2003

I do not believe in 99% of engine treatments and oil supplements anymore, but there are a few (very few) in my opinion that are good. One is Auto-RX. Lots of people at this web site (and the people here are as a group probably much more knowledgeable about motor oils then the average person) have used Auto-RX and it worked for them. Others have used Neutra (cheaper) and it worked for them.

There seems to be general agreement at this site that Schaeffer's #132 works. But probably best not to use too much, especially in colder weather.

Not as much seems to be known about the Valvoline oil supplements. However, Valvoline Engine Protector has had a VOA and it at least has chemical additives unlike a lot of other oil supplements. It is thick, however. Used in small amounts it would probably be okay, especially for an oil that might be somewhat low in additives. Many of the other oil supplements are mainly just thick mineral oil with low additive content. And many engine treatments and oil supplements have dangerous stuff like PTFE or other junk in them. But MaxLife Engine Protector looks legit to me. The Valvoline Synpower engine oil supplement is also kind of thick. I don't know how it compares to the VEP. And Valvoline also sells an engine treatment that I personally have never seen in any store.

The one good thing about these Valvoline oil supplements is that a major motor oil company makes them. They should know something about motor oils.

Mystic · Oct 17, 2003

One thing I want to add, however, is that they need to stop making these oil supplements so thick. Now if a car/truck engine is burning oil, thicker oil can help. But these oil supplements I think would be more effective if they were like multi-viscosity oil. The German Castrol, for example, is 0W-30, and so thick when hot that it is almost like a 40 wt. oil.

Make an oil supplement like Valvoline MaxLife, make it like the German Castrol (able to flow good when cold and like a 40 wt. oil when hot), and I think you would have a more effective oil supplement.

BIGJ552000 · Oct 18, 2003

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The one good thing about these Valvoline oil supplements is that a major motor oil company makes them. They should know something about motor oils.

Remember SLICK 50 was/is made by Quaker State and we all know how "GREAT" Slick 50 is

Last_Z · Oct 18, 2003

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Originally posted by BIGJ552000:

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The one good thing about these Valvoline oil supplements is that a major motor oil company makes them. They should know something about motor oils.

Click to expand...

Remember SLICK 50 was/is made by Quaker State and we all know how "GREAT" Slick 50 is

Yes, you are right, but the Valvoline has had a VOA done and it looked promising. I will give this stuff a try in the future....my plan is to mix it with German Castrol to put the oil closer to a 40W.
Rick

MolaKule · Oct 18, 2003

It's a mid 40 weight which is why I stated:

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The base fluid thickness will fool you. It sure appears heavier than an SAE middle 40 weight. If you're going to add this to your oil, make up a batch and send to TDyson for viscosity analysis at 100 C.

Last_Z · Oct 19, 2003

I know Mola....that's why I would like to use it. You also posted that it had something like 480 PPM of Moly, about the same amount of Zinc, some Boron and a surfactant, all with a good TBN....it looks like a nice additive to beef up any oil. I will run GC by itself and then add a bottle of this, and analyze it all of course. It might be a very good combo.
I have ~1k miles before I analyze my M1/132 mix....although I'm debating if I should run it longer than 3k....something like 4k. The only problem is that it takes me a long time to rack up miles....I'm getting very impatient

Rick

TallPaul · Oct 26, 2003

Valvoline folks told me that the Engine Protector is largely viscosity index improvers, the stuff that makes a 10w into a 10w30. I put one ounce of the Engine Protector in my truck and it raised the oil pressure 2 pounds.

BlueBird · Oct 27, 2003

Do you think one ounce will make any difference ?

MolaKule · Oct 27, 2003

"Valvoline folks told me that the Engine Protector is largely viscosity index improvers, the stuff that makes a 10w into a 10w30. I put one ounce of the Engine Protector in my truck and it raised the oil pressure 2 pounds. "

The base is an olefin copolymer (and is most of the weight of the product), a thickener and a carrier for the additives. It will increase the viscosity if you use too much.

Test before you mix.

It's a mid 40 weight which is why I stated:

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The base fluid thickness will fool you. It sure appears heavier than an SAE middle 40 weight. If you're going to add this to your oil, make up a batch and send to TDyson for viscosity analysis at 100 C.

TallPaul · Oct 27, 2003

The MSD and Valvolines tech info sheet both say the Engine Protector (EP) is viscosity of 102 @ 100C. If true then one ounce would raise your viscosity about 0.5 and it would take about 6 oz of EP to raise a 10w30 oil to 10w40. I shudder to think what happens when someone dumps the whole bottle in at once--esp a little 4 qt capacity 4-banger! It's amazing they market this stuff without a warning. I believe they did tell me that it had little effect on the front (W) number of an oil.

TallPaul · Nov 19, 2003

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Originally posted by BlueBird:
Do you think one ounce will make any difference ?

Well Bluebird, apparently not. It's back to what it was before I added the oz. If it really is a 40 viscosity then I need to add a couple more ounces.

BlueBird · Nov 19, 2003

I didnt do the math but i just didnt see 1 0z mixed with 5 quarts doing anything, i added 8oz of Engine Protector to my truck, i was hoping to minimize oil usage but , the 5.2 Ram still uses 1/2 quart every 2k or so. Runs smooth , sounds quiet just didnt do much for oil consumption.

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