If you have seen crude oil then rerefined used oil can't be bad.
Valvoline NextGen recycled oil
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Originally Posted By: dparm
Originally Posted By: addyguy
Suprised Valvoline is doing this - re-refined oil doesn't have much of a market in the US.
Sure it does, especially since people are trying to be more green.
Green is for yuppies who feel guilty about their mass consumption!!! With what is happening to the economy and loss of the value of the dollar and the impending growth of government and taxes . The rerefined oil will be used if the price is less. I have no problem with a high quality rerefined oil.
Originally Posted By: addyguy
Suprised Valvoline is doing this - re-refined oil doesn't have much of a market in the US.
Sure it does, especially since people are trying to be more green.
Green is for yuppies who feel guilty about their mass consumption!!! With what is happening to the economy and loss of the value of the dollar and the impending growth of government and taxes . The rerefined oil will be used if the price is less. I have no problem with a high quality rerefined oil.
Just like recycled soda pop cans: it takes less energy to recycle metals and lubricants esp. when the initial cost for raw materials is sky high in terms of pricing.
I have absolutely no issues running re-refined motor oils (safety-kleen being one of them).
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I have absolutely no issues running re-refined motor oils (safety-kleen being one of them).
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I don't see anything about this on Valvoline's web site or with a Google search.
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
One interesting question about the oil itself occurs to me: Will re-refined oil have better resistance to shear, given that it has already been run in an engine? For example, will a formerly 40-weight that has sheared to 30 be re-refined as a 30, and therefore be shear-stable?
Of course someone more knowledgeable than me will correct me, but I doubt it. The fractioning process at a refinery uses heat to crack the hydrocarbons in crude oil down to a length that the refiner wants for a certain product. The same thing is going on, in a much cruder fashion, in our engines due to heat and pressure. A 40 weight base oil that shears down to a 30 weight I am pretty sure can continue to shear down to a 20 weight and thinner.
One interesting question about the oil itself occurs to me: Will re-refined oil have better resistance to shear, given that it has already been run in an engine? For example, will a formerly 40-weight that has sheared to 30 be re-refined as a 30, and therefore be shear-stable?
Of course someone more knowledgeable than me will correct me, but I doubt it. The fractioning process at a refinery uses heat to crack the hydrocarbons in crude oil down to a length that the refiner wants for a certain product. The same thing is going on, in a much cruder fashion, in our engines due to heat and pressure. A 40 weight base oil that shears down to a 30 weight I am pretty sure can continue to shear down to a 20 weight and thinner.
Originally Posted By: 77GrandPrix
I don't see anything about this on Valvoline's web site or with a Google search.
I would guess that the OP is probably in a test market area, with nationwide roll out due later, in a year or more maybe?
I don't see anything about this on Valvoline's web site or with a Google search.
I would guess that the OP is probably in a test market area, with nationwide roll out due later, in a year or more maybe?
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
One interesting question about the oil itself occurs to me: Will re-refined oil have better resistance to shear, given that it has already been run in an engine? For example, will a formerly 40-weight that has sheared to 30 be re-refined as a 30, and therefore be shear-stable?
I'd think that after the re-refining process, VIIs would be added so it can shear down all over again... The used oil is no doubt going to be a mix of different weights & brands, I'd reason the reprocessed oil would get a add pack to create the new desired weight...
One interesting question about the oil itself occurs to me: Will re-refined oil have better resistance to shear, given that it has already been run in an engine? For example, will a formerly 40-weight that has sheared to 30 be re-refined as a 30, and therefore be shear-stable?
I'd think that after the re-refining process, VIIs would be added so it can shear down all over again... The used oil is no doubt going to be a mix of different weights & brands, I'd reason the reprocessed oil would get a add pack to create the new desired weight...
I personally wont have any issues running it if the price is right or they produce a better product for the same price. I do get confused because here http://www.safety-kleen.com/products/OilProducts/Pages/EcoPower.aspx
it specifically says it is not a synthetic, but here http://www.ecopoweroil.com/5w20_5w30_10w30_spec_sheet_rev_4_08_10.pdf
it says it uses synthetic base oils. Does this mean that it is a blend?
I would love to see this stuff on WM shelves for 7 or 8 dollars per 5qts
it specifically says it is not a synthetic, but here http://www.ecopoweroil.com/5w20_5w30_10w30_spec_sheet_rev_4_08_10.pdf
it says it uses synthetic base oils. Does this mean that it is a blend?
I would love to see this stuff on WM shelves for 7 or 8 dollars per 5qts
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Seen stuff like this before. Back in the late 80's in Canada, a grocery chain here sold their "President's Choice Green" re-refined oil. Their producer at the time was Esso. There may have also been another small label that sold one too. The President's Choice Green had no issues as far as I recalled, but was probably dropped due to misperceptions about it that caused people to stay away from it.
Castrol GTX and Syntec is recyced oil and everybody pays top dollar for it and love it in NYC. so what it shears down quick
its good to be green
Originally Posted By: TFB1
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
One interesting question about the oil itself occurs to me: Will re-refined oil have better resistance to shear, given that it has already been run in an engine? For example, will a formerly 40-weight that has sheared to 30 be re-refined as a 30, and therefore be shear-stable?
I'd think that after the re-refining process, VIIs would be added so it can shear down all over again... The used oil is no doubt going to be a mix of different weights & brands, I'd reason the reprocessed oil would get a add pack to create the new desired weight...
Extending the thought even further: Since the re-refined oil would be a blend of all kinds of base stocks, they could call it a synthetic blend, and charge more than for traditional dino. That follows the first rule of green-product marketing: Provide an inferior product, but charge more for it.
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
One interesting question about the oil itself occurs to me: Will re-refined oil have better resistance to shear, given that it has already been run in an engine? For example, will a formerly 40-weight that has sheared to 30 be re-refined as a 30, and therefore be shear-stable?
I'd think that after the re-refining process, VIIs would be added so it can shear down all over again... The used oil is no doubt going to be a mix of different weights & brands, I'd reason the reprocessed oil would get a add pack to create the new desired weight...
Extending the thought even further: Since the re-refined oil would be a blend of all kinds of base stocks, they could call it a synthetic blend, and charge more than for traditional dino. That follows the first rule of green-product marketing: Provide an inferior product, but charge more for it.
Originally Posted By: Mark72
Seriously though, if Castrol GTX is already recycled oil as someone above stated, is the Castrol we buy at Walmart or Auto Zone recycled? Or, are the companies going to provide two options. Original or green?
I don't see them tampering with their established brand-loyal following. By keeping the re-refined oil as a separate product line they open up a new "green-oriented" customer market.
Seriously though, if Castrol GTX is already recycled oil as someone above stated, is the Castrol we buy at Walmart or Auto Zone recycled? Or, are the companies going to provide two options. Original or green?
I don't see them tampering with their established brand-loyal following. By keeping the re-refined oil as a separate product line they open up a new "green-oriented" customer market.
i wounder how all the different bases will mix? in an oil change shop waste container there will be everything under the sun from synthetic to wolfs head to atf and gear oil... how can they make a decent oil out of that?
Originally Posted By: electrolover
i wounder how all the different bases will mix? in an oil change shop waste container there will be everything under the sun from synthetic to wolfs head to atf and gear oil... how can they make a decent oil out of that?
The same way they make all those products out of the exact same crude oil...
i wounder how all the different bases will mix? in an oil change shop waste container there will be everything under the sun from synthetic to wolfs head to atf and gear oil... how can they make a decent oil out of that?
The same way they make all those products out of the exact same crude oil...
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Originally Posted By: TFB1
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
One interesting question about the oil itself occurs to me: Will re-refined oil have better resistance to shear, given that it has already been run in an engine? For example, will a formerly 40-weight that has sheared to 30 be re-refined as a 30, and therefore be shear-stable?
I'd think that after the re-refining process, VIIs would be added so it can shear down all over again... The used oil is no doubt going to be a mix of different weights & brands, I'd reason the reprocessed oil would get a add pack to create the new desired weight...
Extending the thought even further: Since the re-refined oil would be a blend of all kinds of base stocks, they could call it a synthetic blend, and charge more than for traditional dino. That follows the first rule of green-product marketing: Provide an inferior product, but charge more for it.
Inferior in what way?
Originally Posted By: TFB1
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
One interesting question about the oil itself occurs to me: Will re-refined oil have better resistance to shear, given that it has already been run in an engine? For example, will a formerly 40-weight that has sheared to 30 be re-refined as a 30, and therefore be shear-stable?
I'd think that after the re-refining process, VIIs would be added so it can shear down all over again... The used oil is no doubt going to be a mix of different weights & brands, I'd reason the reprocessed oil would get a add pack to create the new desired weight...
Extending the thought even further: Since the re-refined oil would be a blend of all kinds of base stocks, they could call it a synthetic blend, and charge more than for traditional dino. That follows the first rule of green-product marketing: Provide an inferior product, but charge more for it.
Inferior in what way?
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