Valvoline NextGen--generous shelf space at Wally's

[Artem]

They went about it all wrong.

Should have let the price higher and marketed it as a "better" oil then the regular virgin juice. haha

Since i dump my synthetic in with the rest of the [censored] by local autozone collects, there's a good bit of UNUSED synthetic oil floating around in the green bottles. I'd say its better then the white bottles.

JMO

 

[ChuckBerry]

It's like some people are rooting for it to fail. I think animosity towards oil reveals mental illness.

 

[yaris0128]

Why would I buy recycled valvoline for more than new QS or Mobil Super? In Maxlife flavor its nice but conventional.... idk

 

[daman]

Originally Posted By: ChuckBerry
It's like some people are rooting for it to fail.

No one has to "root" for it,it'll probably happen all by it's self,self infliction
Originally Posted By: yaris0128
Why would I buy recycled valvoline for more than new QS or Mobil Super?

^^^example right here is what 90% of the general public is going to think/say.

 

[unDummy]

There will always be those that wanted to try it but couldn't because it wasn't available. Most rerefined oil went to tanker or barrel purchasers and were hard to find in quarts or gallon jugs for the DIY'er.

Its being blended to equal or exceed a spec:
http://valvoline.com/pdf/NextGen_Conventional.pdf
http://valvoline.com/pdf/NextGen_Maxlife.pdf

I also wonder if 50% rererefined was a limit set by 'marketing or advertising', a limit set by supply issues of base oil, or a limit set by performance expectations. Per most owners manuals and for most users, a 100% rererefined SN/GF5 oil is what I'm interested in, along with a 100% synthetic rerefined oil.

Now, if I could only sell my used oil, ATF, PSF back to the rererefinery!!!!

 

[Herz]

Originally Posted By: Trav
The stuff is $6.45 qt at the local Walmart and its not selling.
No surprise there.


Holy!

It is 3.42 per qt here

 

[Spazdog]

I don't remember exactly how much it was. I just remember that it was significantly more than regular Valvoline WB or Quaker State GB.

Could have been mislabled anyway. The merchandisers at WalMart are either hideously overworked or just really really bad at their job. ( I did score two 5qt jugs of 5W20 MaxLife for $12 ea because they stocked a whole endcap and priced it with a big ROLLBACK $12 sign) The gondolas are in serious disarray. I would have killed my staff for having a display look like their's does continuously when I was in retail.

 

[bullwinkle]

Even $3.42 a quart is ridiculous when QSAD and Mobil Super 5000 are in the neighborhood of $12 for 5 quarts-nobody is going to pay extra to be the guinea pig!

 

[Virtuoso]

The NextGen at our local Wally's is priced exactly the same as the comparable 100% virgin Valvoline prodcuts of the same type.

No 5qt jugs though.

 

[glum]

Originally Posted By: daman
Originally Posted By: glum
How could you possibly tell if "not 1 qt has moved" unless you work there? (Facetiousness begins now) Do you go in with a Sharpie and put marks on the containers, then go back and check to see if those marked containers are still there?

Brother works the oil department.(want me to have him call you? PM me your number?)

i always get inside info when something is on clearance.

PLUS..say PYB, Mobil,etc you ALWAYS see missing qts/jugs.

your all red don't get so upset, i see your a tree hugger huh?

Wow. And people don't understand why I keep saying that BITOG is a hostile environment. All I did was inquire how you could know that oil hasn't been sold, and I get insulted for what you assume (first 3 letters are key there) are my political leanings.

On that point, I'm not sure why, given my simple question, you assume I'm a "tree hugger".

The Sharpie comment was a stupid joke, and offense was not intended and should not have been taken.

 

[Loobed]

Originally Posted By: genynnc
Yes, NextGen has been discussed but not necessarily about 'the space' it retains on the shelf.


One thing is for certain, the stuff doesn't seem to be moving or when i go, they just re-stocked. If it's not, I'll be somewhat surprised since i live in a fairly eco-focused area.

In theory, I think Valvoline is on to something but how it will play out is another. The NextGen stuff is every bit as good as the white bottle, I believe, BUT i don't see a 'value added.' If 'saving energy resources' is the value added and the price remains the same as the white bottle, then it fails hands down in my mind. Sure, a bunch of people might buy it on altruistic notions but what about the majority of do-it-yourselfers? Heck, some people on here don't even like Mobil 1, much less a recycled fluid! (And I don't mind either personally)

I think it's a tough hill for Valvoline to climb but if they can do it, well good on them.



I think most eco-persons get their oil changed by someone else. They don't do it themselves.

I will get some to try out, but I won't continue to buy it if it isn't cost worthy. I sometimes get new synthetic oil for $1/qt with rebates. Why would I pay full price for recycled oil?

I would like to see a VOA from the 5w30 or 10w30. I don't have extra money to do it myself.

 

[daman]

Originally Posted By: glum
Originally Posted By: daman
Originally Posted By: glum
How could you possibly tell if "not 1 qt has moved" unless you work there? (Facetiousness begins now) Do you go in with a Sharpie and put marks on the containers, then go back and check to see if those marked containers are still there?

Brother works the oil department.(want me to have him call you? PM me your number?)

i always get inside info when something is on clearance.

PLUS..say PYB, Mobil,etc you ALWAYS see missing qts/jugs.

your all red don't get so upset, i see your a tree hugger huh?

Wow. And people don't understand why I keep saying that BITOG is a hostile environment. All I did was inquire how you could know that oil hasn't been sold, and I get insulted for what you assume (first 3 letters are key there) are my political leanings.

On that point, I'm not sure why, given my simple question, you assume I'm a "tree hugger".

The Sharpie comment was a stupid joke, and offense was not intended and should not have been taken.



Hostile??

Just asking....

 

[3311]

I will consider it when it gets to about $1.25 a quart, but I will still probably buy something else.

 

[fdcg27]

Do we really know that whatever oil we currently use contains no reclaimed drain oil?
Is there any legal requirement that the label would have to state that some recycled oil is used?
When a blender buys Grp III basestock from a supplier in Korea, say, does the blender really know that that basestock is all hydrocracked from virgin oil?
We all know that most motor oil blenders are not typically very forthcoming with information as to what basestocks are used in formulating their finished products.
Could it be that many oils contain some recycled content, and we just haven't been told?
Yeah, I'm trolling, or stirring up the hornets' nest.

 

[JDD]

Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Do we really know that whatever oil we currently use contains no reclaimed drain oil?
Is there any legal requirement that the label would have to state that some recycled oil is used?
When a blender buys Grp III basestock from a supplier in Korea, say, does the blender really know that that basestock is all hydrocracked from virgin oil?
We all know that most motor oil blenders are not typically very forthcoming with information as to what basestocks are used in formulating their finished products.
Could it be that many oils contain some recycled content, and we just haven't been told?
Yeah, I'm trolling, or stirring up the hornets' nest.


Don't think so. No proof, but recycled content is generally disclosed with any product. Can you imagine the firestorm if an oil company was ratted out? The competition would love to do it for sure. Believe it that no oil company would chance it. The reason NextGen costs as much as 'new' is that it costs as much to collect, store, and re-refine recycled as to refine new stock. This product is just a plan to tap into the 'green' market, which in my opinion is miniscule. The point being, the DIY market is not going to go for this product. For the same cost, the overwhelming majority is just not going to put that green jug in their basket over a 'new' oil with no question marks.

 

[JustinH]

The Nextgen is priced at $13 for 5 quart jug, the Quaker State Green Bottle is priced at $12 for the 5 quart jug.

I'll wait for the sale, then snap it up...

Mobil Super is still the best value at $11.50 for a 5 quart jug.

 

[Loobed]

I finally saw some 1qt bottles at 3 Walmarts, but no 5qt jugs.

 

[chet2]

glum you came across as sarcastic w/ sharpie comment but anyways i am going to buy some with rebate, i am sure it is just as good as reg oil

 

[Merkava_4]

Originally Posted By: Trav
The stuff is $6.45 qt at the local Walmart and its not selling.
No surprise there.


$6.45 per quart for used oil? It's no wonder people aren't buying it.

 

[Black_Thunder]

i think its a good idea with the percentage of recycled oil.



but.......doesn't that mean it should be cheaper since it didn't have to be completely refined?



i dunno. whatever.


i'd buy it if it was afforable.


i bought 3 cases of shell forumla today at 1.68 a quart on sale. you tell me what valvoline is doing wrong