Using Euro PCEO in 3.0L babymax?

[Z28racecar]

I recently traded in my 2500 gasser and went back to the babymax. I still have a couple oil changes worth of HPL's 5W-40 Euro oil and was wondering if it would be alright to use it for my early break-in oil changes, no more than 1k miles.

It's ACEA A3/B4 and Porsche A40 spec'd. I know B4 is more of a pre-emissions diesel thing, I was just hoping to not have to sell it off. My plan is to go to Amsoil's European AFL 5W-40 for my regular oil changes after break-in.

 

[fantastic]

I'd only use a C3 but that's your call.

 

[Z28racecar]

I'd only use a C3 but that's your call.

That's what I was thinking as well, I figured I'd ask a crowd of more knowledgeable people than me before I pulled the trigger. I'll just try to sell it and go right to the AFL.

 

[WarEagle]

I recently traded in my 2500 gasser and went back to the babymax. I still have a couple oil changes worth of HPL's 5W-40 Euro oil and was wondering if it would be alright to use it for my early break-in oil changes, no more than 1k miles.

It's ACEA A3/B4 and Porsche A40 spec'd. I know B4 is more of a pre-emissions diesel thing, I was just hoping to not have to sell it off. My plan is to go to Amsoil's European AFL 5W-40 for my regular oil changes after break-in.

Just an FYI, I talked with David at HPL and he recommended their CK-4 oil in my 3.0 instead of their euro oil (I had been using Mobil 1 ESP 0w-30).

 

[Z28racecar]

Just an FYI, I talked with David at HPL and he recommended their CK-4 oil in my 3.0 instead of their euro oil (I had been using Mobil 1 ESP 0w-30).

Which oil are you using in yours now? Any UOAs done, by chance?

 

[WarEagle]

Which oil are you using in yours now? Any UOAs done, by chance?

I’m using the premium CK-4 5w-30 based on David’s recommendation. Only about 2k miles on my first OCI so no UOA. Planning on doing UOAs in the future but figured I’d do it after second OCI so it’ll be a while

 

[johnmyster]

Modern A3/B4 is getting pretty "diet" on the saps. Might not be as much of a concern.

I don't think anyone's been crazy enough to use Delo ADF600 5w-30 in one yet but seems that would check a few boxes.

Edit: I know some of the euro specs are especially stringent on timing chain wear. Does CK-4 testing guarantee a high enough degree of timing chain protection? Or does SP coverage suffice for an LZ0?

What are the main concerns for this engine? DPF life? Thrust bearing failure? Overall wear metal levels?

 

[edyvw]

Modern A3/B4 is getting pretty "diet" on the saps. Might not be as much of a concern.

I don't think anyone's been crazy enough to use Delo ADF600 5w-30 in one yet but seems that would check a few boxes.

Edit: I know some of the euro specs are especially stringent on timing chain wear. Does CK-4 testing guarantee a high enough degree of timing chain protection? Or does SP coverage suffice for an LZ0?

What are the main concerns for this engine? DPF life? Thrust bearing failure? Overall wear metal levels?

Modern A3 are still 1.10-1.15% SA. There are changes in chemistry, mostly related to calcium, but byproduct is still same pretty much.

 

[johnmyster]

Modern A3 are still 1.10-1.15% SA. There are changes in chemistry, mostly related to calcium, but byproduct is still same pretty much.

You're right, I had the reduced calcium in mind. Has ZDDP not also (more gradually) reduced over time?

It always seems like there's a tradeoff on the DPF SA game. Two approaches:

1) Choose an oil that makes less metallic ash when it gets burned.
2) Don't burn oil. (Choose an oil that keeps the hardware in good shape, minimizing burning of oil over the motor's life.)

 

[edyvw]

You're right, I had the reduced calcium in mind. Has ZDDP not also (more gradually) reduced over time?

It always seems like there's a tradeoff on the DPF SA game. Two approaches:

1) Choose an oil that makes less metallic ash when it gets burned.
2) Don't burn oil. (Choose an oil that keeps the hardware in good shape, minimizing burning of oil over the motor's life.)

Low Noack and SA is the name of the game.
ZDDP in many stayed still very high. ZDDP also counters LSPI, so you will have a lot of Euros with high ZDDP and calcium but still passing LSPI tests (MB229.51/52).
Also, low SAPS oils that have high ZDDP utilize different additives to reduce SA. So Mobil 1 ESP 0w30 zinc is above 900ppm, and P is above 800ppm, for example, while SA is 0.8%.

 

[FlyingTexan]

Just run a LL04 oil and call it a day

 

[johnmyster]

Low Noack and SA is the name of the game.

In which case Delo 600 ADF all the things. 5w-30 CK-4 sounds appropriate. Should be interesting UOAs.

 

[rollins.]

Edit: I know some of the euro specs are especially stringent on timing chain wear. Does CK-4 testing guarantee a high enough degree of timing chain protection? Or does SP coverage suffice for an LZ0?

-all MTU MTL5044 sub categories
-Detroit Diesel 93K218 ; 93K222 / 93K223 categories
-all MB 228.x/.xx categories (heavy-duty)
-all MB 229.x/.xx categories (passenger-car)
...have the same Timing chain wear (elongation) limit , max. 0.4 %
as part of the OM 646 DE22LA (CEC L-099-08) test.

In addition, all 229.x/.xx MB PC categories mandate (per v2017) :
Timing chain wear (elongation), 0.25 % max.
Timing chain wear (single chain link), 1.0 %, max.
as part of the M 271 wear test
...
https://www.swri.org/sites/default/files/sequence-x-test.pdf

Sequence X is mandatory only for ACEA A7/B7 , C6 and C7 categories (≤ 0.085%)
https://www.infineuminsight.com/media/g0kjeqit/infineum-acea-oil-sequences-2024-brochure.pdf

 

[FreedomOne]

Delo 600 ADF comes in 10w30 and 15w40.

 

[fantastic]

Delo 600 ADF comes in 10w30 and 15w40.

There are better products to use than 600 if one wants to do UOA. Not sure how OP feels about that.

 

[FreedomOne]

There are better products to use than 600 if one wants to do UOA. Not sure how OP feels about that.

Just mention the viscosities as they don't make a 5w30 in it which was being discussed. The 10w30 would likely do fine. Anything besides the stock called for 20w would be an improvement.

 

[Z28racecar]

There are better products to use than 600 if one wants to do UOA. Not sure how OP feels about that.

I'm open to running any oil that will keep wear down and can extend engine life. I'm not necessarily brand loyal, but I usually run HPL or Amsoil. I wouldn't mind trying out something like Delo or Delvac. I just don't want to run the 0W-20 the factory calls for, I was considering my leftover HPL Euro strictly from an engine protection perspective rather than caring about poisoning the DPF.

 

[fantastic]

I'm open to running any oil that will keep wear down and can extend engine life. I'm not necessarily brand loyal, but I usually run HPL or Amsoil. I wouldn't mind trying out something like Delo or Delvac. I just don't want to run the 0W-20 the factory calls for, I was considering my leftover HPL Euro strictly from an engine protection perspective rather than caring about poisoning the DPF.

Just go ahead & use the oil you have available. Then a 5w-30 or 5w-40 European oil would be a step in the right direction vs the 0w-20 but I'd certainly choose a CK-4 though like was stated. Mobil Delvac 1300 10w-30 CK-4 comes to mind as a better emissions friendly oil but will be a robust oil for your use. It's readily available.

 

[WarEagle]

I'm open to running any oil that will keep wear down and can extend engine life. I'm not necessarily brand loyal, but I usually run HPL or Amsoil. I wouldn't mind trying out something like Delo or Delvac. I just don't want to run the 0W-20 the factory calls for, I was considering my leftover HPL Euro strictly from an engine protection perspective rather than caring about poisoning the DPF.

Search @DGW444. He’s running delvac 5w-40 with outstanding UOA

 

[Z28racecar]

Search @DGW444. He’s running delvac 5w-40 with outstanding UOA

6.8ppm/1000mi is definitely the best I've seen so far. My last babymax was at 8ppm when I ran Amsoil's 5W-30 100% synthetic Diesel Oil