Used Amsoil EA15K13 E-core C&P

[jlmilli]

This is off a 24 Armada.
34,700 on car
5500 on filter with Amsoil sig 0-20
Lots of glitter, I guess it’s aluminum because it won’t stick to a magnet.
Leaf spring leaks
Backing is coated wire
The ADBV didn’t hold
Filter was empty when I cut it open about 30 minutes after I took it off.
Mann w610/3 went back on
PUP 0-20 in

 

[Zee09]

Thanks for the c&p and pictures

 

[jlmilli]

This is off a 24 Armada.
34,700 on car
5500 on filter with Amsoil sig 0-20
Lots of glitter, I guess it’s aluminum because it won’t stick to a magnet.
Leaf spring leaks
Backing is coated wire
The ADBV didn’t hold
Filter was empty when I cut it open about 30 minutes after I took it off.
Mann w610/3 went back on
PUP 0-20 in

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[jlmilli]

This is off a 24 Armada.
34,700 on car
5500 on filter with Amsoil sig 0-20
Lots of glitter, I guess it’s aluminum because it won’t stick to a magnet.
Leaf spring leaks
Backing is coated wire
The ADBV didn’t hold
Filter was empty when I cut it open about 30 minutes after I took it off.
Mann w610/3 went back on
PUP 0-20 in

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[jetman]

filter leaky spring is not good

and all the glitter isn't good either.

Thanks for the pics.

 

[53' Stude]

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Thank You for the hard work and great photos.

 

[ZeeOSix]

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Looks like the leaf spring ruffles are growing ... that look horrible. Metal stamping must be a real challenge these days.

 

[fantastic]

That is some big metal pieces & quite consistent. Do you plan on getting an oil analysis done?

 

[jlmilli]

That is some big metal pieces & quite consistent. Do you plan on getting an oil analysis done?

Yes. Both filters I've changed on this car have looked like that. Will change again @ 40K and send a sample to the lab.

 

[dkryan]

jlmilli:

Thanks for posting!

Though having just installed an EA15K09 last month for a 10k mile run with HPL, I’m admittedly less than pleased to see the “quality” of that filter.

 

[Trashman]

Thank you for the C&P. Perhaps you could do a run of 5W30/5W40/0W30/0W40 and see if that helps cut back on the amount of metal in the filter media?

 

[Pablo]

I’m not defending the filter but visible chunks of aluminum are not a viscosity/wear/oil selection issue IMHO

 

[Fair enough]

The protrusions on the leaf spring are making the ruffles unimportant. They keep the spring raised up I think. Where the light is shining through, two dark spots are seen where the protrusions are making contact. Poor ruffles.
In this case sure don’t want particles of aluminum finding the leak. Those large particles must be from original machining it shouldn’t be wear.

 

[ZeeOSix]

34,700 on car
5500 on filter with Amsoil sig 0-20
Lots of glitter, I guess it’s aluminum because it won’t stick to a magnet.

Have you cut open and inspected previous filters after an oil change?

Car has 34,700 miles on it, and obviously this isn't the 1st oil change, so the aluminum particles aren't from "original machining". Something is chewing itself up.

 

[ZeeOSix]

The protrusions on the leaf spring are making the ruffles unimportant. They keep the spring raised up I think. Where the light is shining through, two dark spots are seen where the protrusions are making contact. Poor ruffles.

The protrusions on the side of the leaf spring should still allow the leaf spring to sit down flat on the ridge around the circumference of the end cap hole. The protrusions don't interfere with that. There's leakage because the leaf spring is rough and might even be warped (not totally flat).

 

[Fair enough]

34,700 miles was read in OP, machining debris can hide in nooks and crannies a long time. It is possible. It’s assumed a 2024 is still running well. Particles seen by eye like this aren’t going through bearings or by pistons. Not in a new car. A person has to be logical, no agenda, and ask where could such pieces come from? Absent a damaged engine needing replacement, it would have to from machining debris.

 

[Fair enough]

The protrusions on the side of the leaf spring should still allow the leaf spring to sit down flat on the ridge around the circumference of the end cap hole. The protrusions don't interfere with that. There's leakage because the leaf spring is rough and might even be warped (not totally flat).

The radius on the protrusions holds it up as the fit isn't right. I don’t get this from talking, I get it from looking at one I have. The ones tapered like this one which are protrusions on the spring, the hole needs to be a bit wider. If it had a little play in the hole for the spring, just a few thousandths, , the spring would sit correctly, then ruffles come into play.

 

[ZeeOSix]

The radius on the protrusions holds it up as the fit isn't right. I don’t get this from talking, I get it from looking at one I have. The ones tapered like this one which are protrusions on the spring, the hole needs to be a bit wider. If it had a little play in the hole for the spring, just a few thousandths, , the spring would sit correctly, then ruffles come into play.

You have exactly this same filter and model that your looking at? And does it have a date code about the same time period as this filter? If not, then you can't base what's going on with this filter based on some other filter brand or model. Only the OP can verify if something like that is going on with this specific filter. If the fit is too tight, then that's another manufacturing error on top of the ruffled up leaf spring.

Need better and more clear pics of the leaf spring fully seated into the end cap.

 

[ZeeOSix]

34,700 miles was read in OP, machining debris can hide in nooks and crannies a long time. It is possible. It’s assumed a 2024 is still running well.

That much "original machining" debris doesn't "hide out" inside the engine for 34,700 miles, then magically all release themselves. No logical thinking that something like that actually happened.

Particles seen by eye like this aren’t going through bearings or by pistons. Not in a new car. A person has to be logical, no agenda, and ask where could such pieces come from? Absent a damaged engine needing replacement, it would have to from machining debris.

But particles that size (and the size varies) can still do damage if they go through moving parts. And if they do get crunched, they can break up into smaller particles and do more damage. Chances are not every single one got filtered before they got crunched between something.

If no such level of metal particles have been seen in past OCIs by the OP, then something is eating itself. If this level of metal particles was seen any time after a couple of break-in OCIs have been done, then there's a mechanical problem going on. It's not from "original machining" debris. If I did an OCI at 34K (or even at 10K) miles and saw that much metal debris I'd be alarmed.

 

[jlmilli]

Thank you for the C&P. Perhaps you could do a run of 5W30/5W40/0W30/0W40 and see if that helps cut back on the amount of metal in the filter media?

I have enough 0-20 for one more oci then I will switch to 5-30. Probably should have done that from the start.