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By DON DAHLER CBS NEWS LINK November 15, 2016, 7:21 PM

Some of America’s best fighter jets soar without oil

PANAMA CITY, Fla. -- Some of America’s best fighter jets can soar without using a drop of oil for fuel.

The Navy’s EA-18 Growler fighter jet can fly more than 1,100 miles per hour. It costs $68 million to build, and it’s flying on 100 percent bio-fuel, made from things like kitchen grease and plant seeds.

Navy Secretary Ray Mabus said the engine does not function any differently.

“It may burn a little cleaner, but no, otherwise the engine doesn’t notice a difference,” he said.

In 2009, Mabus committed the Navy to 50 percent usage of alternative fuels by the year 2020.

“It’s to make us better war fighters,” he said. “Energy is vulnerability. Energy can be used as a weapon.”

“When I came in, the Marines were losing a Marine killed or wounded for every 50 convoys of fuel brought into Afghanistan. That’s too high a price to pay,” he said.

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The Navy’s EA-18 Growler fighter jet. CBS NEWS

Until recently, petroleum had to be added to bio-fuel for it to pack enough punch to be feasible. But ARA, a Panama City, Florida, company that was working on a process to make sterile water in remote areas, when they stumbled on a way to make bio-fuel identical to petroleum.

“It’s a material that has all the same molecules as petroleum crude, but from a renewable feed stock,” said Chuck Redd, the company’s vice president of field development.

One of those feed stocks is Ethiopian mustard seeds that can grow in arid ground and can be used by farmers as a rotation crop. Ara’s process can also use waste grease from water treatment plants and kitchens.

Ara senior vice-president Glen McDonald saw an opportunity for his company, and the world.

“I hope that one day all diesel vehicles are operated with our fuel, I hope that all commercial jets are operated with our fuel,” McDonald said.

As for the U.S. Navy, that goal is well underway. Alternative fuels now power 30 percent of naval ships and 50 percent of its bases.
 
It's cool that they found a way to use kitchen grease etc.

but...

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I hope that one day all diesel vehicles are operated with our fuel, I hope that all commercial jets are operated with our fuel


Biofuels have the lowest Energy Return On Investment (EROI). So low that there is almost no profit to be made.

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Still, I think it's great to use them where they can like kitchen grease etc, but I think it's a waste in money and time to put significant interest and devotion into having all diesel vehicles running on it.

JMO
 
Well, we pay for a massive defense budget predicated on securing American interests for Middle Eastern oil. But where is the notion that this is necessarily any more expensive than using crude based on?

This is at least in part a national security issue of availability during a national emergency akin to the Oil Reserve...
 
Originally Posted By: JeepWJ19
It's cool that they found a way to use kitchen grease etc.

but...

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I hope that one day all diesel vehicles are operated with our fuel, I hope that all commercial jets are operated with our fuel


Biofuels have the lowest Energy Return On Investment (EROI). So low that there is almost no profit to be made.

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Still, I think it's great to use them where they can like kitchen grease etc, but I think it's a waste in money and time to put significant interest and devotion into having all diesel vehicles running on it.

JMO


Not just diesels, commercial jets as well. Even so, that's not necessarily the point of the program...
 
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Well, we pay for a massive defense budget predicated on securing American interests for Middle Eastern oil. But where is the notion that this is necessarily any more expensive than using crude based on?


That's a specious oversimplification of why we spend on defense. We have far more interests than simple oil in the Middle East. Ever read our defense white paper? Look at the stated strategic objectives?

You do realize that we import most of our oil from Canada, right?
 
Availability of crude is a strategic consideration, but changing to biofuel doesn't mitigate the transportation cost of the fuel, both in terms of human and capital costs. The supply chain is just as long regardless of what's in the tank.
 
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Availability of crude is a strategic consideration, but changing to biofuel doesn't mitigate the transportation cost of the fuel, both in terms of human and capital costs. The supply chain is just as long regardless of what's in the tank.
I came back after digesting this “When I came in, the Marines were losing a Marine killed or wounded for every 50 convoys of fuel brought into Afghanistan. That’s too high a price to pay,” he said.. As usual you are miles ahead.
 
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Well, we pay for a massive defense budget predicated on securing American interests for Middle Eastern oil. But where is the notion that this is necessarily any more expensive than using crude based on?


That's a specious oversimplification of why we spend on defense. We have far more interests than simple oil in the Middle East. Ever read our defense white paper? Look at the stated strategic objectives?


I'm pretty confident I've read quite a lot on defense. I'm aslo well grounded in saying that when we talk about budgets and taxes, there are trade offs. Ours is at least partially cheap fuel for higher defense budgets.

Have you ever read what we spend on defense in comparison with the rest of the next ten adversaries combined?

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You do realize that we import most of our oil from Canada, right?


Yes, right! You do realize that even a nominally small fraction of oil access being lost will cause prices to skyrocket? Right?
 
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Availability of crude is a strategic consideration, but changing to biofuel doesn't mitigate the transportation cost of the fuel, both in terms of human and capital costs. The supply chain is just as long regardless of what's in the tank.


No different than importing oil actually, I think they have supply chains in the form of tankers, unpopular pipelines, spills, etc. Not all things are directly equal but then again you can factor in almost anything as well.

And of course adding or fixin some infrastructure also creates jobs here in 'Merica...
 
Its more important to have an alternative than to produce the cheapest fuel.

I think we can all agree that having more options is a good thing.

Or do you think someone should mandate that all homes be heated with gas as an example.

The limiting of options is a mandate. A mandate being forced by an over consolated industry.
 
I burn biodiesel in my oil furnace and I never get the home heating oil smell but I do use more of it.
My supplier only uses American fuel which is good. Aero Energy is the supplier.
 
Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Its more important to have an alternative than to produce the cheapest fuel.

I think we can all agree that having more options is a good thing.

Or do you think someone should mandate that all homes be heated with gas as an example.

The limiting of options is a mandate. A mandate being forced by an over consolated industry.



And that's like the driver as to the profit margins on oil versus some of this stuff. Economies of scale, streamlined processes, vertical integration....etc.
 
It has been found we are standing on top of 100's years worth of oil in the US ...Anywhere but fantasy-land economics will win the war. Our leaders getting hundreds of millions in Ahem ..."Donations" from the mid east. I don't suppose you know why that is?

To your post ...find out how much a gallon of Govt approved biofuel costs compared to Jet-A my guess 200:1. This is another moronic attempt to lessen our carbon footprint while delivering devastating destruction.
 
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How many gallons of grease drippings does a typical family generate per month ? How many gallons does that jet fighter use per hour?

Better start cooking!
 
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Whats the cost savings per year for the military ?
Costs several times what petroleum costs.
 
Originally Posted By: CT8
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Whats the cost savings per year for the military ?
Costs several times what petroleum costs.


Keeping things in perspective, it's nothing. Do you want to be able to fly or not?

There was some talk of China shipping us gasoline because we couldn't get any in certain areas.

Embarrassing
 
Originally Posted By: CT8
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Whats the cost savings per year for the military ?
Costs several times what petroleum costs.


Another Solyndra to benefit the tax payers of the USA ?
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