upper cylinder lubricant article

[boxcartommie22]

i found this on rotella .com

what do you all think?


"Upper cylinder lubricants" will find their way into the top ring land
and begin to "build up" a varnish. This varnish,over time will cause
the ring(s) to stick,then eventually the ring will seize in the bore
because the varnish has built up so much that there is no place for
the ring to go (but out.) The upshot is that the ring will
break,causing loss of compression,head/valve damage. It can happen in
diesels as well. I've seen teardowns with the use of UCL's and most of
the rings are stuck. That is the beauty of Rotella T, it keeps
ringlands super clean. It's that "high detergency" in the additive
package that makes a good oil-great!

 

[Mr Nice]

Are they talking about Lucas ??

 

[boxcartommie22]

iam not sure but i believe they were it was a blog from naddie...is that a problem with lucas? what about neutra and redlines ci-1? are we ok with these products?and now you have fp3000

 

[boxcartommie22]

the site was nabble.com they were talking about lucas in a bike..but can this be possible with neutra 131,fp3000, redline ci-1 in our cars?

 

[BOBISTHEOILGUY]

I know neutra is not an upper c lub. It neutralizes the acids in oil if used in oil .lubricates and cleans valves and injectors. It really doesn't do anything to the rings. as for redline, I believe it does the same. unlike lucas, it changes the oil and is used in oil. I don't think mm affects the rings either. lucas is a thicker oil like bright stock and I can see where it might varnish the walls.

 

[surfstar]

Have you seen the gas additive test Bob did? I think it was in the videos section.

I'll take my chances with Lucas UCL.

 

[BOBISTHEOILGUY]

yeah I saw it.

 

[Rand]

I think bikes in general are alot more sensitive that cars to this.

 

[Brett Miller]

Bob, it's great to see you here.

 

[boxcartommie22]

hi bob tis an honor to see you...i have bottles of neutra and it says it is an upper cylinder lubricant too.

 

[boxcartommie22]

redline says on its site too that it is also an ucl as does neutra..but these are in addition too....it is not as thick as lucas...will be excited to see how fp3000 works...

 

[JAG]

All I can say about this is that I burned some Lucas UCL in a metal cup by heating the bottom of the cup with a blow torch and it left a nasty sticky varnish in the cup. I then tried to burn off the varnish with an intense direct flame to no avail. Since then I never used this product again...plus it actually decreased gas mileage in my VW 1.8T engine. Obviously burning Lucas UCL straight isn't the same as what goes on in the engine's cylinders but it does make me wonder if what's quoted above is true.

 

[mshu7]

Like you said, burning Lucas UCL straight isn't the same as it going through an engine. I've been using Lucas UCL since June. I just got back my first UOA and it looks great, showing no ill affects of using Lucas. My gas mileage is as good as it's ever been.

http://theoildrop.server101.com/forums/s...ge=0#Post736913

 

[BUBBA0420]

I have been using MMO religiously and never had a problem

 

[DJStillman]

JAG - That is a great idea for a test, especially considering the average car engine with hot spots! Did you try this on any other products, like FP60 or Neutra? Would love to know how they fare.

MSHU7 - Actually, in a normal car engine, you do have hot spots, and hot rings, so I would say that this is at least a good idea of what could happen. And regarding the article, a motorcycle engine (air cooled) can be even hotter...

Just my thoughts...

 

[adam123]

Well heck I like using my fp60 for the increased gas milage but if its gonna varnish my rings up.

 

[Rand]

FP60 isnt an ucl

 

[cfromc]

I'd have to get my welding book out but isn't the temperature that a blow torch puts out several times hotter than normal combustion in an engine?

 

[DJStillman]

http://www.cngcorp.com/customer_sales_service/fuel_cost_charts.html

According to this, gasoline has more btus per gallon than propane, which a blow torch would use. Would that not mean that gas has more energy in it than propane, and as such, would burn hotter, meaning that the engine gets hotter?

 

[JAG]

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JAG - That is a great idea for a test, especially considering the average car engine with hot spots! Did you try this on any other products, like FP60 or Neutra? Would love to know how they fare.

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No I haven't tested the others since I've never bought them. I'll let someone else volunteer to do that.