UOA Valvoline premium Blue 5w40 6.7 PSD

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Got my UOA back and everything seems to look fine except for fuel dilution. I suspect it is because of regen and all the extra fuel dumped when that occurs.

Truck is at 33k miles and this oil change was 5500 miles.
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Got my UOA back and everything seems to look fine except for fuel dilution. I suspect it is because of regen and all the extra fuel dumped when that occurs.

Truck is at 33k miles and this oil change was 5500 miles.
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How frequent are your regens? 24 engine hours? Or is the dpf filling up prior to that necessitating a regen? Any fuel additives?
 
How frequent are your regens? 24 engine hours? Or is the dpf filling up prior to that necessitating a regen? Any fuel additives?
I can’t say for certain but I’ve been doing several long road trips this interval. Like 5+ hours driving in a row and each time I could tell when it was passively regenerating by the fuel mileage and boost gauge. I run either archoil or hotshots EDT every fill up.
 
I can’t say for certain but I’ve been doing several long road trips this interval. Like 5+ hours driving in a row and each time I could tell when it was passively regenerating by the fuel mileage and boost gauge. I run either archoil or hotshots EDT every fill up.
You won’t notice any changes during passive regen. Passive regen is when your egt’s are high enough to clear out the dpf from either towing or on a longer highway speed drive. Active regen occurs every 24 engine hours (in Ram with Cummins) or when the dpf soot level reaches 100% and is when you would notice changes in fuel economy (decrease). If you use any monitoring devices, you would notice an increase in egt’s during regen. Also, the only time you will notice any changes in your boost gauge are when you are on/off the throttle; this has nothing to do with regen.
 
The calcium doesn’t look fine. It should be 1000-2000 ppm for a CK-4 oil
Valvoline uses more magnesium than calcium in their formulation. Have to be sure that it doesn’t cause LSPI in our HD diesels with automatic transmissions. Im really not sure which is better. High magnesium or high calcium.

Big Brother has to take care of us. We don’t have sense enough to do it ourselves.
 
Valvoline uses more magnesium than calcium in their formulation. Have to be sure that it doesn’t cause LSPI in our HD diesels with automatic transmissions. Im really not sure which is better. High magnesium or high calcium.

Big Brother has to take care of us. We don’t have sense enough to do it ourselves.
From what I remember, magnesium is a selective detergent while calcium is not. Magnesium isn’t as bad for DPFs though so it is added instead but does not react with all acids and combustion byproducts like calcium hydroxide does.

In my work we occasionally need alkalinity adjustments to our process, calcium carbonate is significantly more effective than magnesium hydroxide on a wt/wt basis and is what we use.

Maybe someone has the charts and data to post about magnesium’s limitations because I saw it here many years ago.

That oil looks weak for an HD CK-4 offering if those numbers are accurate.
 
Fuel dilution is an issue on 6.7 PSD. It can be an injector problem or a leak in the CP4 pump. It does seem low mileage to have an injector or CP4 pump problem however.

My 6.7 PSD is a little over 150K miles. The latest UOA the fuel dilution was 8.1 in 8000K miles.

I had previous OCI that went closer to 15K and did not have fuel dilution.
 
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The problem for me is I run synthetic oil with a bypass oil filter but I can no longer do extended OCI if I have fuel dilution.
You need to find out where the fuel is coming from, regens or pump or injector(s). Ram had a major recall over the CP4 pump involving 2 years of production that the pump was used.
If it’s regen issues, that entails a significant amount of different things it can be.
 
You need to find out where the fuel is coming from, regens or pump or injector(s). Ram had a major recall over the CP4 pump involving 2 years of production that the pump was used.
If it’s regen issues, that entails a significant amount of different things it can be.
And how do you find that out? I see a "cleaning filter" msg once and awhile but assume I miss most as they stay on the dash display for only a few seconds.

I have Forscan and AutoEnginuity OBDII scanners but have not seen anything too crazy.

I use Archoil as a fuel additive.
 
If you’re able to see when it is in regen you can track mileage and engine hours between regens. If the truck is short tripped, you may experience a regen as soon as 300-350 miles since the last one. Over the period of an oci, that is a lot of regens, and would likely contribute to fuel dilution. However, I am not familiar with the powerstroke. If it has a downstream injector (9th) for regens, this can decrease the amount of fuel added via the cylinder for regen and likely decrease fuel dilution. Unfortunately, we do not have a downstream injector.
 
And how do you find that out? I see a "cleaning filter" msg once and awhile but assume I miss most as they stay on the dash display for only a few seconds.

I have Forscan and AutoEnginuity OBDII scanners but have not seen anything too crazy.

I use Archoil as a fuel additive.
Are you using the Archoil 6400D or the every tank 6500D ? The 6400D is recommended every 5k miles and it does a very thorough cleaning of everything fuel and exhaust related. I think there is a test for the fuel pump to see if there is any leakage there. Also if you determine that it is regen related be sure to check for leaks in the intake system ( losing boost ) around all of the boots and tubes from the turbo through the aftercooler and to the intake. Also check for exhaust leaks. Especially the Y-pipe if it has one.
 
Fuel dilution is caused by regens and also by poor atomization. Poor atomization will require more regens which in turn causes more FD. Its a viscous cycle. Effective fuel additives (not snake oils) designed to remove injector deposits can prevent or minimize fuel dilution.

Another cause of FD is a stuck thermostat where the engine can’t reach normal operating temperature and runs cool.
And how do you find that out? I see a "cleaning filter" msg once and awhile but assume I miss most as they stay on the dash display for only a few seconds.

I have Forscan and AutoEnginuity OBDII scanners but have not seen anything too crazy.

I use Archoil as a fuel additive.
 
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