If that's the way you care to view it, then I guess one thug learned how not to treat the other thug.
Tyreek Hill detainment
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I just find it hilarious Tyreek commented that he was trying to de-escalate the situation.
Both are wrong IMO, but play stupid games win stupid prices. I've been pulled over plenty of times since I have a heavy right foot, being polite goes a long way.
Both are wrong IMO, but play stupid games win stupid prices. I've been pulled over plenty of times since I have a heavy right foot, being polite goes a long way.
In effect you must comply because Mimms gives the Police cover to pull you out of the car, and you will be pulled out of the car. You can argue after the fact whether it was or was not lawful but it doesn't change the fact you were pulled out of the car.
Many times sadly this is the case, but it's common sense that the one with the badge is likely going to win.
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I was trying to figure out what it was.
Yep, there gang is bigger than your gang.
But do you honestly think its helpful for the public to believe the police are thugs?
The driver rolled down his window and provided his needed documents. The other person decided to continue to demand an answer about seat belt use which he had no obiligation to give. He should have added failure to wear a seatbelt to the ticket, said thank you sir, and sent him on his way - would not be on the news.
But he had to escalate the encounter in order to impress his homies.
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Not sure what point you are making. Nothing you say here contradicts what I said as far as how the law works or the practical consequences of challenging LEO behavior one might feel is illegal.
You seemed to be trying to tell alarmguy that Mimms says he was wrong when he said one doesn't have to comply with an illegal order.
I was just clarifying that Mimms has a clear contingency of legality for it to apply, so alarmguy isn't wrong (at least on the basis of Mimms).
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No flame...Florida law supports the police in this instance.
You are always clear until proven otherwise. With that said, the video does raise questions as to the actions of the officers. I find it disturbing and I am sure others do too. I disagree with regularly regarding high profile. This stuff happens everyday, yes, because he is well known the video is viral, sad because the poor everyday guy does not get the attention to the same misuse of police action.
Time will tell after an internal investigation, then possibly a federal. Who knows? until it gets cleared.
Mimms says that an officer can lawfully demand that you exit the vehicle. The request itself is legal. The stop was legal. My point is you will get pulled out of the vehicle regardless what you think. So Alarmguy is wrong. You don't have a right to not comply. You can get the LEO in trouble after the fact but that's only after you've either complied or been pulled out of the vehicle against your will.
The driver handed over the requested documents and the window was down at that point. They decided to continue to argue about the seatbelt and otherwise escalate things. This could be considered "extending the stop" which is unconstitutional.
Once told to get out he was supposed to get out but it appears to me he was trying to get out - he opened the door and one foot was in the street, but again they decided to grab and throw to ground. How much time is required to get out. Again with no reasonable suspicion other than speeding.
I see this very differently than you do clearly.
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Your interpretation of Mimms is fatally flawed.
In your defense, that flaw is common, both in the citizenry and LEO community.
However, America as a society is slowly but surely correcting that knowledge gap with education and discussion.
And we'll be all the stronger for it some day!
Cuff and stuff someone with tremendous influence and wealth who then accuses you of wrongdoing, whether justified or not, and you'll find yourself doing desk work for a while until the investigation is completed. This is my opinion.
Agree and the video certainly does show an uncalled for use of force so he has that on his side too. The guy was wrestled to the ground and handcuffed! MY GOD! Hopefully people do not condone this in the USA? Over a speeding ticket? *LOL* Holy smokes how can one defend the police actions. I already know there will be corrective action. Hope we can revisit this in a month.
Not going to excuse the officer for losing his patience so quickly. Also, TH didn't help himself from the beginning of this ordeal. Could have been a total snoozefest if TH had simply lowered his window, left it down, and not sounded like a smarty pants.
It's not how we would have liked to see things happen. You are simplifying what happened by leaving out that the officers must assume there is a weapon in the car. That's how cops are trained and how they try to avoid getting shot.
Of course not. Like any job there are great people out there and bad ones. I happen to live next door to two cops who are assets to the community, and make it a better place, but have also had encounters with people who definitely should not have been walmart greeters, let alone in any position of power.
Reckless driving, not simply speeding, which is an arrestable offense in Florida (according to Google). Downplaying the charge/offense doesn't help further prove the point.
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Both parties are wrong in this encounter. TH could have ensured this ended up as a "normal" traffic stop encounter by rolling down his widow as requested and not being a SA. The cops could have toned down their response and not yanked him out of the car like they did. This is a prime example of how things escalate out of control and the worst case outcome happens.
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