Tyreek Hill detainment
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I was in that position many a times as a uniformed Officer in Liberty City (i also grew up in the adjacent neighborhood, Little Haiti), Florida. How that goes...
Me - "Sir, because of your tints, please leave the window down for your and my safety, makes sense? Thanks"
Motorist - "Sure Officer, not a problem" or, they just left it down.
10 years with 7 as an FTO (Field Training Officer). Yes, some luck involved.
It was always a mater of how things were communicated. I never had this issue, and trust me, i dealt with some deadly MoFo's while i was only 5'8" 170 lbs.
I watched the video again. Cops had no right to grab him out of the car. Clearly in the wrong as far as I am concerned.
There was no indication that the driver was going to refuse getting out and to just reach in and grab him is something I seem to see a lot of in Florida. Clearly the cops was annoyed and acted unprofessional with, granted, an obnoxious person but that doesnt change what happened. Cops seem to be from dictatorship training in some 3rd world country or worse.
There was no indication that the driver was going to refuse getting out and to just reach in and grab him is something I seem to see a lot of in Florida. Clearly the cops was annoyed and acted unprofessional with, granted, an obnoxious person but that doesnt change what happened. Cops seem to be from dictatorship training in some 3rd world country or worse.
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Tyrek Hill is a problem wherever he goes.
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we did not watch the same video. the door didn't open until another officer opened it.
I went back to the trap club (publicly owned) after it closed, about midnight because I realized I had dropped something in the grass and I wanted to get it.
A cop pulled into the club behind me and asked what I was doing there. I explained what I was doing and he asked me to step out of the car, so I said, "yes sir" and stepped out of the car. He said he was going put me in hand cuffs, because it was how he was going to keep the situation under his control. I complied with another, "yes sir". I asked him to put the cuffs on loosely because I had just had wrist surgery, he did. He checked out everything I had told him and when everything checked out and I was being completely respectful and just having a conversation with him, he took the hand cuffs off. We stood there for another 30 minutes and chatted. He thanked me for not lying to him and for acting like a respectful adult. My response was, "Is there any other way to act?". He rolled his eyes and said you have no idea. I probably don't. I didn't like the cuffs, they hurt.
A cop pulled into the club behind me and asked what I was doing there. I explained what I was doing and he asked me to step out of the car, so I said, "yes sir" and stepped out of the car. He said he was going put me in hand cuffs, because it was how he was going to keep the situation under his control. I complied with another, "yes sir". I asked him to put the cuffs on loosely because I had just had wrist surgery, he did. He checked out everything I had told him and when everything checked out and I was being completely respectful and just having a conversation with him, he took the hand cuffs off. We stood there for another 30 minutes and chatted. He thanked me for not lying to him and for acting like a respectful adult. My response was, "Is there any other way to act?". He rolled his eyes and said you have no idea. I probably don't. I didn't like the cuffs, they hurt.
90 in a 50 mph construction zone and FL State Trooper gave me a warning.
I didn’t act like a jerk.
There's your opinion and then there's this from Florida statutes:
(3) OBEDIENCE TO POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS.—It is unlawful and a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083, for any person willfully to fail or refuse to comply with any lawful order or direction of any law enforcement officer, traffic crash investigation officer as described in s. 316.640, traffic infraction enforcement officer as described in s. 316.640,
ummmm... did they give him a chance? even after they opened the door which he had unlocked. Clearly the cops were quite out of control and did you miss the point of them wrestling him to the ground. I would love to see the full video, this was a tiny snippet of 100 minutes of video?
Clearly you interpretation of a gang of cops grabbing someone out of their car, then wrestling them to the ground for a speeding ticket is different then mine. This is not North Korea.
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Given our previous disagreement on Medicare plans, I'm going to jump in here to say that I agree with @alarmguy on this one!
While there is nothing wrong with being respectful of law enforcement (I was very respectful in the few interactions I've had with them), respect is not a requirement when interacting with them.
The only requirement is to follow the law. The constitution is clear that you have a first amendment right to be as disrespectful as you want, as long as you are following the law.
The Mimms ruling does give police a great amount of discretion in ordering a driver (and the passengers, per the Wilson ruling) to get out of their car, but it has to be in the context of a lawful Terry stop.
While there are large areas of gray in all these types of situations, not showing what the officer deems to be an appropriate level of "respect" plays no role in what level of LEO escalation is allowed by law.
When "respect" is the main factor in LEO decisions to escalate a situation, it is them that are breaking the law by violating fundamental rights.
Law enforcement isn't an easy job, but as Americans, we have to always hold police to account anytime they take action on the basis of "contempt of cop." Just because it isn't an easy job is not a reason to let improper LEO behavior slide.
Note that I don't fully blame LEO for this problem. Unfortunately, the root cause of this problem is that LEO have generally been very poorly trained in constitutional law/rights and routinely violate them often without knowing that they are doing it-- resulting in their jurisdictions paying billions in settlement payments.
It's always hard to do the right thing in complicated situations when your training is suboptimal-- that's just setting LEO up to fail, which is very unfair to them.
Thus, I applaud the recent growth of the constitutional auditor movement over the past five years or so. Because of their work, LEO seem to be getting the message and there appears to be a noticeable improvement in their interactions with the citizens they serve.
Unfortunately, the Hill case seems to be a step backwards in that progress, but I generally think these cases will become rarer as LEO become more aware of their duty to respect constitutional rights.
Striking the proper balance between citizens' rights and LEO duty is difficult for any society. As usual, America leads the way in working through this complicated journey.
And as it marches forward in solving this important problem, it confirms once again that America is without question the greatest country on the face of the earth.
What did Hill do to fail or refuse to comply with a lawful order? The cop told him to roll down his window and Hill complied. Then Hill rolled it back up. The cop told Hill to roll it back down and Hill rolled it partially down and the cop immediately lost his patience and pulled Hill out of the car. Hill was not charged with this misdemeanor.
I think we should check to see if we're all watching the same video here. While YOU were watching the video, how many times did the cop tell him to roll that window down? I'm interested in having a view of what you're seeing. I'm seeing no compliance.
In fairness, the cop didn't sit there and beg him to open the window and follow lawful orders like what happens in other state(s) jurisdictions.
Well how cool is that? Nice to be on the same side. You know, I watched that 90 second clip and see those cops as a gang of cops grabbing open the car door, reaching in, grabbing the guy, wrestling him to the ground for speeding?
The more I watched it, the more annoyed I became and there is much more to the video according to the TV announcer?
Anyway, you said it better than I can. These cops were brutal in the way they handled this, all over a speeding ticket. Florida is known for poorly trained cops and this guy was clearly manhandled, forced to the ground.
Agree with all other than the cuffs.
Seriously have a problem with cops just cuffing people when there’s no escalation or anything.
I didn't have a problem with it at all and wasn't offended or butt hurt. He didn't know me from Adam. He had about 35 years of experience as a cop and has seen about everything. It was his way to make sure he went home that night. I understood his stance and respectfully complied.
Nobody got hurt, nobody mouthed off, nobody had their rights violated.
This is correct. He was asked, then told, to roll his window down.
The first time the cop asked zero times. He knocked on the window but never asked him to roll down the window. Hill rolled down the window without being verbally told. Then after some verbal exchange, Hill rolled the window back up. The Cop told him twice to roll the window back down and then Hill rolled the window down partially.
Internal affairs investigating, one officer on administrative leave,
You heard the cops "when we tell you to do something you do it." Sickening, look at this video. All for speeding, completely unprofessional.
hey, how many cops does it take to issue a ticket! Look at them all!! *LOL* Maybe in North Korea !
Why not watch the full video behavior, these cops are out of control. I hope he takes this to court. That cop needs a new career, a whole gang mentality it seems.
You heard the cops "when we tell you to do something you do it." Sickening, look at this video. All for speeding, completely unprofessional.
hey, how many cops does it take to issue a ticket! Look at them all!! *LOL* Maybe in North Korea !
Why not watch the full video behavior, these cops are out of control. I hope he takes this to court. That cop needs a new career, a whole gang mentality it seems.
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