Tyreek Hill detainment

[Reggaemon]

I had money on the Jaguars...I wish they had left him in those cuffs.

 

[Jim Rogers]

You heard the cops when we tell you to do something you do it. Sicking, look at this video. All for speeding, completely unprofessional.
hey, how many cops does it take to issue a ticket! Look at them all!! *LOL* Maybe in North Korea !

Correct. The idea that "if the cop says to do something, ya gotta do it!" is one of the biggest misconceptions on the part of both law enforcement and U.S. citizens.

While it's far more pragmatic to go ahead and follow a cop's illegal order and contest it later in court, don't confuse that pragmatism with the law: an American is not required to comply with any illegal order, even if it was a cop that made that illegal order.

We are not North Korea or Nazi Germany. We are a nation of just laws, and everyone, cop and citizen, must follow it the same.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Cop was wrong. You do not have to comply.

SCOTUS would disagree with you. This was settled a long time ago (Pennsylvania vs Mimms 1977). Cops have the right to order you to exit the vehicle.

 

[sohccammer427]

Here is a short tutorial on how to behave when pulled over.

 

[thastinger]

I went back to the trap club (publicly owned) after it closed, about midnight because I realized I had dropped something in the grass and I wanted to get it.

A cop pulled into the club behind me and asked what I was doing there. I explained what I was doing and he asked me to step out of the car, so I said, "yes sir" and stepped out of the car. He said he was going put me in hand cuffs, because it was how he was going to keep the situation under his control. I complied with another, "yes sir". I asked him to put the cuffs on loosely because I had just had wrist surgery, he did. He checked out everything I had told him and when everything checked out and I was being completely respectful and just having a conversation with him, he took the hand cuffs off. We stood there for another 30 minutes and chatted. He thanked me for not lying to him and for acting like a respectful adult. My response was, "Is there any other way to act?". He rolled his eyes and said you have no idea. I probably don't. I didn't like the cuffs, they hurt.

Slave speak.

 

[Wylie6G72]

The first time the cop asked zero times. He knocked on the window but never asked him to roll down the window. Hill rolled down the window without being verbally told. Then after some verbal exchange, Hill rolled the window back up. The Cop told him twice to roll the window back down and then Hill rolled the window down partially.

Let's put you in the position of the officer in this circumstance. How long are you willing to stand there and tell him to roll the window down? Not an inch, not 2 inches, but DOWN. In your opinion, how many requests does it take before it's appropriate to be removed from the car.
I think you're glossing over the fact that he started this entire interaction with antagonism. If you don't want your window tapped on, have it rolled down by the time the officer approaches your door. He did absolutely nothing to help himself in this situation but did everything to hurt himself. I personally wouldn't stand there and beg and plead for him to roll his window down. After two requests, he's out and cuffed for refusal.

 

[Jim Rogers]

SCOTUS would disagree with you. This was settled a long time ago (Pennsylvania vs Mimms 1977). Cops have the right to order you to exit the vehicle.

That's true but remember-- the cops only have that right if the stop is lawful. People always seem to skip that part.

In this Hill case, the stop was for speeding, so my guess is that courts would consider the stop itself to be legal and thus the cops will likely be determined to have been within their rights to have Hill exit the car.

However, it's also possible that the courts would find that the order to exit the car was based on the unwillingness to fully roll down the window, which might not be determined to be a lawful order that gave the cops the right to have Hill exit the vehicle.

Either way, just wanted to clarify that Mimms does not give LEO carte blanche to have people get out of their cars for any reason.

 

[wwillson]

Slave speak.

What would you have done differently if you had the interaction with the cop that night?

 

[thastinger]

What would you have done differently if you had the interaction with the cop that night?

I would have made them give me a reason for detaining me..."being suspicious" isn't against the law.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

That's true but remember-- the cops only have that right if the stop is lawful. People always seem to skip that part.

In this Hill case, the stop was for speeding, so my guess is that courts would consider the stop itself to be legal and thus the cops will likely be determined to have been within their rights to have Hill exit the car.

However, it's also possible that the courts would find that the order to exit the car was based on the unwillingness to fully roll down the window, which might not be determined to be a lawful order that gave the cops the right to have Hill exit the vehicle.

Either way, just wanted to clarify that Mimms does not give LEO carte blanche to have people get out of their cars for any reason.

With tinted windows there's going to be little doubt that the order to roll down the window was lawful.

Sure but with the number of pretextual laws on the books it gets harder and harder to convince a judge that a stop was unlawful. I suppose you're willing to argue with the officer against the lawfulness of the stop then you may have a chance to remain in the vehicle otherwise you're going to have to argue in front of a judge after they've pulled you out and cuffed you.

 

[SammyChevelleTypeS3]

What would you have done?

What I have ALWAYS done even if I think I am being wronged (almost never). Pay total attention, follow every instruction and above all , show the man doing an extremely hard and dangerous job total respect. Every single time some big mass protest and burning down cities occur it ends up being the fact the person was either already wanted for crimes or totally disrespected the LEOs and tried to escape. Some people are raised to hate and not respect about the only people out there putting their lives on the line to protect us all. That same guy will call 911 in a heart beat if someone does him something. Certain celebrities or even wanna be celebs think they are above the law.

 

[wwillson]

I would have made them give me a reason for detaining me..."being suspicious" isn't against the law.

It was pretty clear that I was in a closed public park, which is a violation of the law. I was not detained.

The Supreme Court found that simply being in handcuffs or in a police vehicle without a formal arrest does not put someone in state custody and therefore does not entitle them to hear about their Miranda rights.

 

[Pew]

Just a general observation; many people complain about the lawlessness, want cops to "do their jobs" and tighter criminal laws yet we pay peanuts to law enforcement until decades in their careers, while expecting them to know every criminal law in and out like a lawyer, and reemploying the bad ones that have gotten kicked out of their departments.

Not the first time a cop acting unprofessionally and not the first time an NFL player (or any other civilian for that matter) thought they were above the law.

 

[Jim Rogers]

With tinted windows there's going to be little doubt that the order to roll down the window was lawful.

Sure but with the number of pretextual laws on the books it gets harder and harder to convince a judge that a stop was unlawful.

That's true, and the Wren decision that allows pretextual stops is what I consider to be one of the worst Supreme Court decisions ever.

I suppose you're willing to argue with the officer against the lawfulness of the stop then you may have a chance to remain in the vehicle otherwise you're going to have to argue in front of a judge after they've pulled you out and cuffed you.

That's also true, and why I said in an earlier post that the most pragmatic approach to LEO interaction is to comply with everything they say-- legal or illegal-- and challenge the illegal parts later in court.

But you were responding to alarmguy when he said "you don't have to comply" (to an illegal order) by citing Mimms.

I just wanted to clarify that Mimms does not support your argument against alarmguy, because the premise of his statement (rightly or wrongly) was that the order was illegal.

 

[TheOilWizard]

Internal affairs investigating, one officer on administrative leave,
You heard the cops "when we tell you to do something you do it." Sickening, look at this video. All for speeding, completely unprofessional.
hey, how many cops does it take to issue a ticket! Look at them all!! *LOL* Maybe in North Korea !

Why not watch the full video behavior, these cops are out of control. I hope he takes this to court. That cop needs a new career, a whole gang mentality it seems.

Internal affairs investigations and/or admin leave is not indicative of any wrongdoing by the officer. It happens regularly with high profile and celebrity interactions or traumatic situations requiring investigation.

I just wanted to clarify that, because to my knowledge the officer is currently clear.

 

[Dave Hess]

Once he unrolled his window he needed to keep it lowered.
Cops get scared cause they feel he might be reaching for a gun when he raised his window.


Where I grew up you did NOT challenge the cops.

Use common sense when dealing with cops.

 

[Hall]

It seems like if the officer had unloaded his weapon through the tinted because he "feared for his life" and "I thought he was going for a gun" that a lot of people would be perfectly okay with it

 

[JeffKeryk]

All I see is a gorgeous Lambo, er ah, McLaren?

 

[Wylie6G72]

It seems like if the officer had unloaded his weapon through the tinted because he "feared for his life" and "I thought he was going for a gun" that a lot of people would be perfectly okay with it

It's extreme thinking like this that lands you on your stomach in cuffs.

 

[SC Maintenance]

Two thugs met in the street, and one had a badge.