Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: buster
Molekule, your responses are never on point and lack true scientific integrity. You claim to be an expert physicist, chemist, formulator, astronomer and to know more than anyone on every topic by the way you post, yet I see very little backing up your claims other than your own opinion. You don't bring any data into the discussion, just your own "beliefs".
Welcome to the world of Education
Truth is relative. My sister has a PhD in Mathematics and we've had a similar discussion. Proving theories based on theories of theories.... If something changes downstream, then what is truth? Well the truth changes.
My father (PhD) is a professor of Anthropology. His research changes what is "true" as well.
This isn't religion where what is "real" is based on contrived nonsense. But just because something in science is believed to be true based on the works of an individual, doesn't mean that somebody else's research isn't going to change it later on.
I think that's the point that Molakule is driving at here. Too many say that because something is scientific that it is unquestionable. By definition, EVERYTHING in science is questionable. That's how science advances. And that means that what is perceived as the truth with respect to a lot of what we "know" changes with time.
I agree with everything you said. My point was what I think (and maybe this is wrong)NdGT was saying is when you prove something using the tool of science, and there is no disputing it, science gives you the truth whether you wanted to believe the results or not.
For example, we know that evolution is biological fact and theory. We know that because of science. Science provided us with an understanding of how nature works. Whether you want to believe it or not doesn't matter. If that is what science has proven, and it has, the science behind it is the truth. The truth is that species evolve over time. You arrive that that truth by using science.
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Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts do not go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's, but apples did not suspend themselves in mid-air, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from apelike ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other, yet to be discovered.