Turbo costs 100 bucks?

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Oh boy, is that the electric bilge pump supercharger?
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jonny-b,

I couldn't help but have a question for you: given the time you have on hand to research all these "add-ons", "OTC additives" and what-not, have you ever consider taking on proper academic paths to study mechanical engineering or the field of automotive engineering?

That way, you can pretty much answer/debunk a lot of these "postings" that you have.


Intriguing minds like to know,

Quest
 
Total fraud...the pictures show Vortech superchargers (the real thing) - belt driven. The electric one you'll get is essentially a bilge pump. Won't do anything but lighten your wallet and burn out your alternator. It takes a lot of force to spin a centrifugal compressor fast enough to produce enough airflow to compress into an engine. Do a search on it. I love how they say it comes with a manual boost controller...man, a sucker is born every second!

Here's a fraudulent pic someone posted...that is a Vortech system.

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This is the p.o.s. you'll get...it's a frikkin bilge pump! Oh boy, it makes 5 psi...with the engine off! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6kvkR_NX8w

SCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM. If you want a supercharger, you have to get the real thing. You'd need a separate gas powered generator to produce enough electricity to spin a real automotive blower fast enough, compared to using the engine, especially at peak rpm.
 
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Here is video of one being tested on a running engine. Plastic Turbo Test

From their FAQ.

>> What is your supercharger made out of?

We use high tensile materials to ensure proper durability. Our products have never failed under any testing condition.



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Don't mean to be disrespectful of your request not to reply unless directly experienced, but you will probably not find anybody here who is.

As a believer in the laws of physics I can guarantee you that the only way to cram enough air into a running engine to give you a meaningful boost is to do the physical work required to shove that much air in there that quickly. That takes many hp. The entire electrical capacity of a typical car alternator is around 1hp.

You might get 8psi at zero airflow, but as soon as the engine starts drawing air it will go quickly to zero and then negative.

I didn't read the whole thing, but this looked interesting:

http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0406tur_knight_turbo_electric_supercharger/index.html

The guy got into building electric superchargers like this machine you're looking at, but much more powerful:

"...they made one that produced 5-6 psi spinning 7000 rpm and drew 700 amps at 12V and 400 amps at 24V. Then he mounted a 6-inch, two-groove pulley on it and attached everything to a piece of plywood in the back of his '72 VW Beetle. Running two batteries in series, he routed a 2.5-inch pipe through the rear firewall. It made 6-7 psi at launch and 3 psi at redline. "The VW was fast," says Knight. "Belts flew off every run; no exception. V-belts don't like 30,000 rpm. I tried for years to do better."

So they got 3psi at redline from 700amps, about equivalent to ten alternators running at full steam.

Later,

"In 1996 Knight looked into a 90-hp DC motor, but it was bigger than a car engine and weighed 1000 pounds. He decided to lower the engine size to a reasonable amount. Even a 2.0-liter engine making 15 psi at 8000 rpm required a 30-hp DC motor. Knight looked into smaller motors, which were still too big and heavy."

That all makes sense. A cool but impractical experiment. What is a motor run off regular alternator output going to give you? Nothing.
 
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With a few "improvements", these things come out every year or two. Total waste of cash, all of them.
 
For the short period of time that bilge pump is pushing enough air, 2% throttle will feel like 20%. So off idle pedal effort will feel fantastic, as all that air will be forced past the slit of the throttle blade.

It goes downhill from there, to the point when the hairdryer probably gets in the way.

A prius is a more efficient use of electricity.
 
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So they got 3psi at redline from 700amps, about equivalent to ten alternators running at full steam.


I've seen this before. You had to put like 4 or 5 batteries in the trunk to do a 1/4 mile run. It's not too far off of the same concept as the Lexus hybrid, except using the electrics to supercharge the engine. Apparently it would be more productive to use the electrics to aid in turning the rpms of the engine.


..but genuine turbos aren't all that expensive these days. Even if they're Chinese knock offs, the basic castings are very common and if the things break in a few years ..who cares?
 
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