Truth about Sams/walmart TV's

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I think it's entirely possible Walmart is selling alternate part numbers than other stores with less features and lower quality. They already sell similar looking products with smaller net weights in the food section. I think someone should investigate the floor models and actually check model numbers before we speculate much further.

Would that owners TVs really last 10x longer? Probably not but the differences maybe be measurable.
 
I remember reading an article about Snapper mowers. They said that they were breaking ties to Walmart because of the pressure they felt to cut the quality/price of their products.

Isn't it possible Walmart puts that same pressure on other vendors??
 
Originally Posted By: Schmoe
Guy at church owns an electronic store in town. Got to talking to him about my recent plasma problems. He said that the TV's that walmart sells, like Samsung, Sony, etc. etc. are not really the manufacturer, but walmart. He told me that if he sold me a TV, it would be way better than walmart and last ten times longer, of course his prices are way up there. But I got to thinking, is there a difference between what you'd get at walmart as opposed to going to a non-chain type of electronic store?


No. The guy is just blowing smoke up your behind on this said matter.

Of course he wants your biz, afterall: walymart's aggressive supplier/retailer pricing scheme has pretty much drive him to the corner (losing end of the biz deal), and for that he has every possible rights to counteract to such bizarre claims (which is unfounded btw).

Q.
 
Sadly the guy at church will be out of business, he can't touch the prices that the big boys put out there, and the internet.

My experience is that walmart is rarely the best price on electronics, nor do they have good selection.

They put one real crummy item on sale, at a low price, and that gets you looking at all the regularly priced items.

I bought a loss leader 40 inch LCD from Best Buy for $260 dollars, insignia brand.

Works for me, but I don't watch much TV nor do I care.
 
The only folks who really know work in Bentonville and Asia.
Everything else is just speculation.
Everyone here is aware that there are both less expensive and more expensive (higher quality) components that can be built into a TV, a PC or a microwave oven.
Walmart and its shoppers are very price sensitive.
Would Walmart sell a similar item of lower build quality than what might be available elsewhere at a lower price point?
Once again, despite all of the responses to the contrary, no one here actually knows.
Now, would the local shop guy's TV last 10X longer?
Of course not, but then it wouldn't be 10X as costly either.
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: Schmoe
Guy at church owns an electronic store in town. Got to talking to him about my recent plasma problems. He said that the TV's that walmart sells, like Samsung, Sony, etc. etc. are not really the manufacturer, but walmart. He told me that if he sold me a TV, it would be way better than walmart and last ten times longer, of course his prices are way up there. But I got to thinking, is there a difference between what you'd get at walmart as opposed to going to a non-chain type of electronic store?



Order enough of anything and you can have your name on it. You can also write the specs within certain limitations.

It is a fact that many of the HUGE chains have stuff made specifically for them. This is usually to give the client a lower price...


This ^^ A specific good built to a price point. That's it.
 
It could be that they have a "big" amp or a "big" power supply and 32" is the cut off. A WM tv will have the small versions of both where bubba's downtown TV time will have the big versions.

Same as finding a "big block" tecumseh 8 hp engine with a different bolt pattern than their 7 hp engine on OPE-- or some special "8 hp small block" sold only at WM.

My cutlass ciera was a rental special-- even had an RPO code for it-- and it had the big V6 with the cheezy 3 speed automatic. Most civilian versions had a 4 speed auto.

There can be a basis in reality. But the motherboards will be eerily similar across all distribution channels for this TV. Only when you see which capacitor dries out and pops first will you know who-done-it.
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
In related news... motor oil sold everywhere except Walmart lasts 10x longer.



That is the exact reason my 328 is seeing shorter OCI's!
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If the part number is the very same at Walmart and at the small A/V shop, the tv is the same. If the Walmart p/n is different, even by one character, such as adding an A at the end, you can be assured that the Walmart tv has been built specifically for Walmart. The manufacturer has caved to the extreme pressure that Walmart applies, and made a special model for Walmart. The Walmart model will be cheaper is some way.

Imagine sitting across from a Walmart buyer at their corporate headquarters. The buyer insists you give them better pricing. You say no, we've already done all we can. Walmart says fine. Our contract is done. We will no longer carry your product. You realize that Walmart represents 20% of your sales. If they don't sell your product, you won't pick up that 20% elsewhere. So you cave. You agree to build a special model just for Walmart. It will look just like the model sold elsewhere, and have almost the same p/n. But it will be different inside. Something you can do cheaper. So you do it, to keep that 20% of the market share.

Don't think it happens? Then you are living in a fantasy world. Shop a dozen items at other stores. Items from small appliances and electronics, housewares. Then find those same items at Walmart. I'd be willing to bet that more often than not, the Walmart item will be a variation of the item you found elsewhere.
 
Thanks for posting this thread and the info in it. I wish it had been a few days earlier though. I just bought a Pioneer digital media receiver for my truck. I had a perfectly good Pioneer 5600HD AM-FM-CD-USB deck before, and it is not yet a year old. It works fine and sounds great but does not have Bluetooth capability. I got very tired of trying to drive and shift gears while juggling my cell phone when my wife or anyone else would call while I was driving. Pioneer makes a very nice digital media receiver with built-in Bluetooth, Crutchfield sells it for $99.99:

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_130X360BT/Pioneer-MVH-X360BT.html?tp=5684

I don't really use CD's nowadays; I actually prefer the sound of a straight digital MP3 on a thumb drive. Crutchfield was out of stock on the 360BT but Walmart had their version in stock on the shelf this past Saturday so I bought one and installed it yesterday. The only difference I knew of was the Walmart version has part number MVH-36BT. I always thought they only did that to screw the customer out of any price matching or manufacturer coupons/discounts, but I *assumed* the product itself would be the same. I am now finding out it is not. The Walmart unit looks exactly the same as the genuine Pioneer:

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Pioneer-MVH-X3...etooth/36610777

The receiver I bought at Walmart cost $99.96, 3 cents less than the genuine Pioneer unit costs at Crutchfield. Sonic Electronix even sells the same unit for $10.00 cheaper than Crutchfield, however both the Sonic and Crutchfield units have the same genuine Pioneer model number.

I will not pay the same price to get a lesser quality unit as the genuine Pioneer unit. When I get home form work tomorrow the Walmart special is coming out and going back to Walmart. My old Pioneer 5600HD fits the same mounting sleeve and molex wiring connector as the new Walmart receiver and I can just keep using my 5600HD until I decide whether I really have use for a Bluetooth receiver. I take great care of my electronics and even though the unit was only $100.00 plus tax and sounds great now I am not keeping it only to have it conk out early just so Walmart can sell me a new one.

Thanks for the info on this. When it is absolutely necessary I may buy oil, oil filters and air filters at Walmart but I will probably never buy any electronics there ever again.
 
Originally Posted By: Schmoe
Guy at church owns an electronic store in town. Got to talking to him about my recent plasma problems. He said that the TV's that walmart sells, like Samsung, Sony, etc. etc. are not really the manufacturer, but walmart. He told me that if he sold me a TV, it would be way better than walmart and last ten times longer, of course his prices are way up there. But I got to thinking, is there a difference between what you'd get at walmart as opposed to going to a non-chain type of electronic store?
Yes. For all the reasons previosly mentioned above. After all, it's the WM mentality of the public that drives this. Most could care less about details or longevity, they just want it NOW!

Be carefull what you wish for. You just might get it.
 
Originally Posted By: sleddriver
Originally Posted By: Schmoe
Guy at church owns an electronic store in town. Got to talking to him about my recent plasma problems. He said that the TV's that walmart sells, like Samsung, Sony, etc. etc. are not really the manufacturer, but walmart. He told me that if he sold me a TV, it would be way better than walmart and last ten times longer, of course his prices are way up there. But I got to thinking, is there a difference between what you'd get at walmart as opposed to going to a non-chain type of electronic store?
Yes. For all the reasons previosly mentioned above. After all, it's the WM mentality of the public that drives this. Most could care less about details or longevity, they just want it NOW!

Be carefull what you wish for. You just might get it.



Thanks for pointing this out. Public demand for cheaper stuff has driven corporate responses.

We DID get what we all wished for...
 
Originally Posted By: Schmoe
Guy at church owns an electronic store in town. He told me that if he sold me a TV, it would be way better than walmart and last ten times longer,


An electronics salesman should be making statements like that out the back door of a van in an alleyway .. not in church.

Don't sit too close to him 'cause I'm sure a lightning bolt will be hitting him sometime soon and you wouldn't want to catch any splash ...
 
Can you tell us what are the differences between the so called "genuine" Pioneer and the "fake" Pioneer? If it looks the same and has the same features and has the same specs, then it is the same unit underneath.

Why don't you list the differences of these two units?
 
Originally Posted By: Jimmy9190
I will not pay the same price to get a lesser quality unit as the genuine Pioneer unit.

I've read this entire thread, and still don't see any proof that the unit from Walmart would be of lesser quality.
 
Originally Posted By: Vikas
Can you tell us what are the differences between the so called "genuine" Pioneer and the "fake" Pioneer? If it looks the same and has the same features and has the same specs, then it is the same unit underneath.

Why don't you list the differences of these two units?


I can't find any differences other than the part numbers. The Walmart unit looks the same and has the same features, tone controls and power output as the Pioneer unit on the Crutchfield and Sonic web sites. It also sounds the same as my old 5600HD. After I replied to this thread last night I read on a Bing search that Walmart does get some manufacturers to build items with a Walmart specific part number or or model number but the item itself is the same as the item sold online and B&M stores.

I will probably just keep the Walmart receiver. It does work fine and the Bluetooth call quality is very good. It also provides a much safer way to drive. I had a bad day yesterday and fired off my earlier reply without really thinking about it. I may email Pioneer just to see what their response might be.
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Jimmy9190
I will not pay the same price to get a lesser quality unit as the genuine Pioneer unit.

I've read this entire thread, and still don't see any proof that the unit from Walmart would be of lesser quality.


I doubt anyone could prove the lesser quality of the WM unit unless you had one of each and took them apart to compare internal parts or maybe measured and compared their outputs with an oscilliscope or AC voltmeter.

I also realized today that if the quality were really different between the two units then why is there only 3 cents difference in the price? Even Walmart can't be that greedy.
 
Originally Posted By: Jimmy9190
I doubt anyone could prove the lesser quality of the WM unit

That was basically my point, so let's not go off the deep end.
 
Whatever happened to Cutis Mathes (os was it "Mathis")? I remember their stores in the 70s-early 80s. Only place you could buy their products,and their slogan was always "Made in the USA". Were they any good? Did anyone here ever have one? I'm thinking they made home stereo systems too?
 
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