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Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
That's crazy. Our country and are freedoms are changing . All these anti gun people . What you said was spot on we have a right in America to defend our selves. Its sad that some people don't see it that way . I'm going to the pawn shops today maybe I'll find my stereo lol. Darn punk kids!!


Its nothing anti-gun or anti-defense. Your car parked in a lousy apartment complex that you chose to live in (you could move), in the dark against the woods is NOT compromising your safety if you are not in it.

Its different if youre pulling into the lot and someone comes to pull you out to steal your stereo, than if you see them across the parking lot taking your stuff. But for you to chase them, gun out (doesnt mean youre not armed), isnt necessarily the smartest, and for you to shoot them down without even knowing if they are armed, over a stereo, to me isnt a good excuse, because if you go out your front door to go shoot them, you werent really in danger.

Im all for horse theives being hung, but it isnt your job. But go ahead and shoot them "on principle" and see how your life changes... be my guest.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
That's crazy. Our country and are freedoms are changing . All these anti gun people . What you said was spot on we have a right in America to defend our selves. Its sad that some people don't see it that way . I'm going to the pawn shops today maybe I'll find my stereo lol. Darn punk kids!!


Its nothing anti-gun or anti-defense. Your car parked in a lousy apartment complex that you chose to live in (you could move), in the dark against the woods is NOT compromising your safety if you are not in it.

Its different if youre pulling into the lot and someone comes to pull you out to steal your stereo, than if you see them across the parking lot taking your stuff. But for you to chase them, gun out (doesnt mean youre not armed), isnt necessarily the smartest, and for you to shoot them down without even knowing if they are armed, over a stereo, to me isnt a good excuse, because if you go out your front door to go shoot them, you werent really in danger.

Im all for horse theives being hung, but it isnt your job. But go ahead and shoot them "on principle" and see how your life changes... be my guest.


I agree right here. There is a big difference between principle and self defense. But if you have a room of 10 "men" at least 2 will think that they are the 2 biggest baddest bull's in the room.
 
Also thanks. At least it looks like chevyboy is moving out. Maybe we gave him some food for thought. I would hate to see someone throw their life away because of a car stereo stolen from his truck parked in a parking lot. If the circumstances are different then I am all for using deadly force but this is just not worth the hassle or the risk IMHO.
 
^ here is exactly where I stand. if you steal from me and I catch you I will do whatever is in my power to stop you. I can shoot you for stealing from me and its not illegal. I already talked to a sheriff about it. I wonr tolerate thieves. I won't hunt anyone down but I will stop what I can. I'm sorry that some of you would rather let people take your stuff and not cause a fuss but that's not me. The last guy I caught siphoning my gas I chased him down and beat the snot out of him. I didn't get in trouble for that. I am a good citizen I help others and pay my taxes and screw the people who don't if they like their life they should come and steal from me. Its that simple. Its not the stereo its the security the invasion of privacy and the disregard from morals. And its about time people stand up for the right thing before they take all your stuff and you have nothing to stand for.
 
Being a thief is a hazardous occupation.

You could get shot.

That doesn't mean you should be able to go stalk individuals like you are Mike Hammer or Dirty Harry Callahan. You are not.

But if I observe someone stealing from me,
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Sorry but he chose his occupation poorly and now he is going to suffer for his decision.
 
What will you do if you are out and about and run into him again (while he is not doing anything illegal)?
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix

Living in a country and society that allows me to defend myself and my property by law, I'm therefore always prepared to take appropriate actions if required. This is part of the freedoms we have in this country. If someone wants to sit back and watch people steal their property or come into their home and do whatever to them ... well, I guess that's their freedom to chose so. There have been many instances of home evasions lately (almost hear it daily on the news these days), and in most cases the invaders are shot with no charges pressed against the homeowner. There are also cases of home evasions were the homeowner was killed because they didn't defend themselves. I'll take the freedom of making the decision to defend at whatever level is appropriate if that's what needs to be done.


Let's remember that we are talking about shooting someone across a parking lot for stealing a stereo. Big difference, IMO. Does it suck to loose something you worked for? Absolutely.

But do you have a strong case because you were trying to teach a lesson by protecting your nearly-worthless (used stereo isnt your wife's engagement ring) stuff? A little different, IMO.


I wasn't talking specifically about this stereo stealing instance ... the key phrases in my comments were:

"prepared to take appropriate actions if required."

"freedom of making the decision to defend at whatever level is appropriate"

That doesn't mean I'm going to shoot someone for no good reason. Believe me, I know the laws and know when I can use deadly force, and will if appropriate or needed. That means if I chose to confront the thief in the act, and he came towards me or showed a weapon then I'd draw on him, and the actions by me beyond that would depend on his moves from that point on - the same actions a police officer would take. If he ran off, then fine. Being a responsible gun owner is to know the laws and know when you can use the force you are entitled to use.
 
Originally Posted By: Jimmy9190
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Tint your windows to the maximum legal darkness limits where you live. Even dirt bag punks can't steal what they can't see. Plus the tint makes it a lot harder to break the glass and get into the truck, but it won't stop a punk that knows how to use a Slim Jim.



I disagree: tinting your windows holds the glass together and makes alot less noise when breaking into your car, Also thieves see tinted windows and assume there is something to be concieled..

Back in the day when i had systems and such i always locked my doors and had tinted windows.. I cant tell you haw many times i was broke into:
I got out of stereos, stopped tinting windows, and stopped locking my doors: this CRAZY thing happend, nobody messed with my car anymore.. I left nothing of value in the car and DID have a alarm, i left the doors unlocked.. as soon as someone opened the door.. the alarm would go off. Strange nobody ever opened the door..

I like your ideas in regards to alarms and sirens and such, but considering window tint part of safegarding your goods is just silly in my opinion.
 
Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
^ here is exactly where I stand. if you steal from me and I catch you I will do whatever is in my power to stop you. I can shoot you for stealing from me and its not illegal. I already talked to a sheriff about it. I wonr tolerate thieves. I won't hunt anyone down but I will stop what I can. I'm sorry that some of you would rather let people take your stuff and not cause a fuss but that's not me. The last guy I caught siphoning my gas I chased him down and beat the snot out of him. I didn't get in trouble for that. I am a good citizen I help others and pay my taxes and screw the people who don't if they like their life they should come and steal from me. Its that simple. Its not the stereo its the security the invasion of privacy and the disregard from morals. And its about time people stand up for the right thing before they take all your stuff and you have nothing to stand for.


Exactly chevyboy14!

We need MORE law enforcement that will say and support the same angle mentioned above nationwide!

See in many parts of the country the law enforcement officials will admit that it is the responsibility of the individual to protect his life and property, I'm glad, actually THRILLED to see that increasingly the police are conceeding that they are only able to
make a report in most instances of theft, they can NOT protect YOUR property, only YOU can do this, and they also know that if enough law abiding citizens start using deadly force to protect their property with the potential concequences being death to the thieves the rate of theft WILL GO DOWN.

Of course you need to use due diligence when using lethal force BUT when possible it SHOULD BE USED.
If enough thieves DIE stealing that crime stat would probably go down by 95%.

One last thing, regarding underage thieves....if the person is stealing from cars during the early hours of the morning when it is dark, this individual is already lost, obviously the parents are worse than the child so it only will get worse from there, next stop, that little punk will turn into an adult that likely will seriously injure or kill an innocent bystander.

One thing I have noticed over and over and over again is when you find these petty thieves stealing it escalates, eventually they end up injuring or killing innocents, it seems a certainly from what I have seen.
 
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Where do all you guys live?!

I guess I must be lucky as I just can't relate to a need to dispense vigilante justice in order to deter crime. The police do a great job where I live. If you've ever seen those scenes in Beverly Hills Cop, it's a bit like that.

Have you over spent time and money on your oil addiction to live near such crime hotspots?

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Originally Posted By: DinoLover
Where do all you guys live?!

I guess I must be lucky as I just can't relate to a need to dispense vigilante justice in order to deter crime. The police do a great job where I live. If you've ever seen those scenes in Beverly Hills Cop, it's a bit like that.

Have you over spent time and money on your oil addiction to live near such crime hotspots?

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I'd bet you live on Catalina Island.
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Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
^ here is exactly where I stand. if you steal from me and I catch you I will do whatever is in my power to stop you. I can shoot you for stealing from me and its not illegal. I already talked to a sheriff about it. I wonr tolerate thieves. I won't hunt anyone down but I will stop what I can. I'm sorry that some of you would rather let people take your stuff and not cause a fuss but that's not me. The last guy I caught siphoning my gas I chased him down and beat the snot out of him. I didn't get in trouble for that. I am a good citizen I help others and pay my taxes and screw the people who don't if they like their life they should come and steal from me. Its that simple. Its not the stereo its the security the invasion of privacy and the disregard from morals. And its about time people stand up for the right thing before they take all your stuff and you have nothing to stand for.


someone stole your stereo and siphoned gas from your truck? I hope no one steals your new cell phone you were talkin about getting. The description of the apartment area you are living in doesn't sound ideal at all. I would move, but that might appear cowardly to you.
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i stated I was going to move soon
Honestly where I live isn't a bad part of town right across the street there are million dollar homes its screwed up I mean the apt arent that great but Washington is the nicest town around where I am. Go figure. And cutehumor how in gods earth is protecting your belongings cowardly? I am moving in Sept at the latest and I can work on my cars at this place And work and school is 3 miles.its convenient. that's the reasons we've stayed so long.
 
Small town in MO = meth. I would bet money that's what your stereo was stolen to obtain. Thieves steal things in good parts of town because that's where they can find lots of things of value that are left unattended.
 
Originally Posted By: opus1
You'll have to forward to 0:49, but this is the antitheft system I want on my next car....


So not a fan of this?
 
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Originally Posted By: DinoLover
Where do all you guys live?!

I guess I must be lucky as I just can't relate to a need to dispense vigilante justice in order to deter crime. The police do a great job where I live. If you've ever seen those scenes in Beverly Hills Cop, it's a bit like that.

Have you over spent time and money on your oil addiction to live near such crime hotspots?

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I'd bet you live on Catalina Island.
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That's the only safe place in CA? How about Beverly Hills?
 
Originally Posted By: yonyon
Originally Posted By: opus1
You'll have to forward to 0:49, but this is the antitheft system I want on my next car....


So not a fan of this?
LOL, forgot about that system. Either or, because as they say, sometimes getting your car back *isn't* enough.
 
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