Truck falls off hoist again

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If you look at the first shot the right rear lift arm looks like it has moved away from where it should be. They are not supposed to be using a lift that doesn't have functioning safety's. How about a call to OHSA!!! Should take care of that shop

They screwed it up and they would not be the ones fixing it!!!!! Do not have them fix it. He is just asking for trouble!!! What dealer is this?

John
 
Originally Posted By: Shagger

This guys going - "OH MAN, Mr. Goodwrench screwed the pooch again!"


He's about to become famous

and not in a good way.
 
Originally Posted By: Ojustracing
If you look at the first shot the right rear lift arm looks like it has moved away from where it should be. They are not supposed to be using a lift that doesn't have functioning safety's. How about a call to OHSA!!! Should take care of that shop

They screwed it up and they would not be the ones fixing it!!!!! Do not have them fix it. He is just asking for trouble!!! What dealer is this?

John


I really do not want to give out the dealers name yet.
Hey , accidents happen every . Lets just hope that they do the right thing and buy the vehicle back for full retail or some other responsible solution. My friend loves his truck . It was a present to himself.
 
Off topic.

Chad8, since you left some other pictures open for public view on imageshack.....That's some nice ice fishing gear there. What a lousy year to put it to use!
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Originally Posted By: chad8
Gee , no clean carfax anymore. They are trying to avoid a repaired or salvage title by doing it themselves.


That truck is FAR from totaled. There isn't an insurance company on earth that would pay out to total it. Besides, if they did total it, your friend wouldn't own it anymore and the title and Carfax would mean squat to him.

By doing it in-house, they have the opportunity to AVOID involving an insurance company. No insurance company involvement, no ding on the Carfax. If anything, letting the dealer do the work without the involvement of an insurance company will likely be the best option if he's worried about future value based on a Carfax.

Granted, it's probably not the best idea to let them do the work, especially if they don't involve an insurance company. Your friend will have very little recourse outside of hiring a lawyer if they perform a sub-standard repair.

You'll never get them to just pay retail for the vehicle. If it comes to that, they'll wipe their hands and release the vehicle. At that point, it's up to the insurance companies. You may get the dealer's insurnace company to pay a little extra for a loss of value based on the repair, but they're not going to just roll over on it. It'll be a fight, especially if the truck has already been devalued due to a previous repair.
 
Honestly, if your friend gets the truck back, and it turns out to be a bad repair job, have him call up his insurance company, and file a claim. Just show them the pictures of it hanging off the lift, and they will take care of the rest.

There won't even be a deductible involved, because they will get that back from the shop's insurance company.

Just make sure he goes to a different dealer from then on.

BC.
 
Originally Posted By: Ojustracing
How about a call to OHSA!!! Should take care of that shop


OSHA doesn't specifically certify automotive lifts. The best you could do is get them on the General Duty Caluse. That covers lack of due diligence in maintaince or lack of training. If there is a remotely recent hoist inspection and no one has contacted OHSA concerning the hoist, there's not much they can do except maybe levy a small fine or, more likely, prevent further usage of the hoist until an inspection is done. OSHA is there to ensure worker's safety, not to provide testimony on property damage lawsuits.

Of couse, exactly what happened is all speculation based on a couple small photos on the internet. It's no consolation, but accidents happen. It really sucks when they happen to you. It's still just plastic and metal. Dropping a car off a hoist isn't a good feeling. I've seen it happen in the shop; thanksfull it's never happened to me. Nobody goes home from work feeling proud about themselves after doing that.

Like any other accident involving an automobile, you're going to be upset. Be thankful nobody was hurt and work as hard as you can to make sure everything is made right. That may involve insurance companies or lawyers, but it's ultimatly your car that's banged up and you deserve to have things made right. It sucks, but calling OSHA or making a huge scene, demanding this or that, is nothing more than pride or spite. Neither will get your car fixed and probably won't even make you feel much better.
 
Mr HP

Its all the other stuff they would find. They would have a field day in a automotive shop. Have to make sure us techs are safe. I'm glad the employee didn't get hurt. I think in the background I see a bench grinder with out a work rest, somebody welding, a lifting chain not marked, oh yeah no lock out on the lift in question ;)LOL This stuff is a joke. Listed below are some OHSA fines I found that could be relevant in a automotive shop.

No lockout/tagout program, $120,000
No fire extinguisher training, $24,000
No work rest on grinder bench, $18,000
Failure to have hearing conservation program, failure to abate $24,000
Failure to have hazard communication program, $13,500
No hazard communication training program, $27,000
No hearing protection, no gauge/alarm required for spray finishing operation; spray container gauge not legible; welding aprons or clothing not provided; use of non-approved welding gloves; no respirator program; no respirator medical evaluation; and no respirator fit test.
Total penalties for alleged serious health violations $8,700
 
Originally Posted By: Ojustracing
Mr HP

Its all the other stuff they would find. They would have a field day in a automotive shop. Have to make sure us techs are safe. I'm glad the employee didn't get hurt. I think in the background I see a bench grinder with out a work rest, somebody welding, a lifting chain not marked, oh yeah no lock out on the lift in question ;)LOL This stuff is a joke. Listed below are some OHSA fines I found that could be relevant in a automotive shop.

No lockout/tagout program, $120,000
No fire extinguisher training, $24,000
No work rest on grinder bench, $18,000
Failure to have hearing conservation program, failure to abate $24,000
Failure to have hazard communication program, $13,500
No hazard communication training program, $27,000
No hearing protection, no gauge/alarm required for spray finishing operation; spray container gauge not legible; welding aprons or clothing not provided; use of non-approved welding gloves; no respirator program; no respirator medical evaluation; and no respirator fit test.
Total penalties for alleged serious health violations $8,700


Exactly.

OSHA will fine the shop, you just KNOW that if this happened there MUST be a number of other violations there.


OP..DO NOT LET THIS DEALER REPAIR YOUR FRIENDS CAR!!!!!!!!!

I WOULD DEMAND TO TALK TO THE DEALER OWNER AND REQUEST THAT THEY COMPENSATE HIM FOR THE FULL RESALE VALUE OF THE TRUCK! NOTHING LESS! IF THEY REFUSE...HE WILL BE CONTACTING A LAWYER!
 
Originally Posted By: MrHorspwer

You'll never get them to just pay retail for the vehicle. If it comes to that, they'll wipe their hands and release the vehicle. At that point, it's up to the insurance companies. You may get the dealer's insurnace company to pay a little extra for a loss of value based on the repair, but they're not going to just roll over on it. It'll be a fight, especially if the truck has already been devalued due to a previous repair.


You think they would rather have a claim on their insurance, with the attendant increased rates, then to just buy the vehicle at retail from him and sell it at about the same price, if not more, on their used-car lot (with no mention of repairs, of course)?

Alternately, do you think they would wash their hands of it and risk going to court? I can't imagine a jury seeing those pictures and not giving the owner full value, plus attorney's fees.

Keep in mind that the owner is under no obligation to let them fix it, regardless of the fact that they have the ability. They damaged his vehicle, they have to make him whole. He has the upper hand here. If they are not buying that vehicle back and giving him a good deal on a new one, they are foolish.
 
Originally Posted By: chad8
2 days ago My friend ---- took his truck, a 2008 trailblazer ss, with 30000 miles to ---------- Chevy for a complimentary oil change. The truck fell off the hoist. You should see the pics. I will post them if I can get them off the phone they are on. They are going to fix it in house.
New hood, both bumpers , passenger fender, door and sill, rear tailgate. They were going to "check" it on a frame machine . Who knows what else.
It'll be good as new.....
They said ,we fix cop cars all the time and certify them for high speeds.
I'm sure their resale is as new too.
I told him not to take it back and call my nephew the attorney.
Gee , no clean carfax anymore. They are trying to avoid a repaired or salvage title by doing it themselves.
I would have them buy it for retail.

Any other good options?


Fix in house? This is body shop work at a minimum, not a service shop. All those parts you list come unfinished. They need to be primed, painted, sanded, clear coated, and baked by an experienced body shop.

Plastic parts need a different technique. Most states allow you choose the shop of your choice. But you are way beyond this anyway. Get legal and 3rd party auto help. Don't get snowed.
 
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The shop that dropped the truck has a very good body shop. They had it torn apart the next day before my friend realized the potential latent damage and loss of value. It doesn't matter. The lawyer is involved already. Yes, there will be a mark on the title. In Michigan all work at a dealership is reported to carfax.
Its not my truck , but I personally would just refuse to have it back. EVER..
There is no way to fix it back where it was. Its just the question of how much value my friend has lost . He is a very nice person ,but will not be taken advantage of.
I do feel sorry for the dealership and the tech that dropped it , but that is their problem now.

Remember this song:
accidents will happen
they're only hit and run
you used to be a victim
now you're not the only one
accidents will happen
they're only hit and run
I don't want to hear it
'cause I know what I've done
 
Friend needs to learn the insurance and liability laws in Michigan. This will pay off. It is far cheaper to give him a new SUV than to fight it out. He needs to dig in his heels, which it sounds like he is doing. (bad grammar)
 
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Yeah I would be real tempted to dig in for the retail value of the truck, or at least some compensation on top of the repairs. Seeing how it fell off, I don't think the chance of frame damage is all that high, but the resale value is definitely taking a hit from this.

Another option might be to see if the dealer would find him another Trailblazer SS similarly equipped and make a trade. Let the dealer worry about selling the repaired truck and give him one without a major trip to the body shop in its service history. A deal on a new Chevy isn't going to replace a limited production, hot rod SUV they don't make anymore.
 
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Originally Posted By: user52165
Originally Posted By: chad8
2 days ago My friend ---- took his truck, a 2008 trailblazer ss, with 30000 miles to ---------- Chevy for a complimentary oil change. The truck fell off the hoist. You should see the pics. I will post them if I can get them off the phone they are on. They are going to fix it in house.
New hood, both bumpers , passenger fender, door and sill, rear tailgate. They were going to "check" it on a frame machine . Who knows what else.
It'll be good as new.....
They said ,we fix cop cars all the time and certify them for high speeds.
I'm sure their resale is as new too.
I told him not to take it back and call my nephew the attorney.
Gee , no clean carfax anymore. They are trying to avoid a repaired or salvage title by doing it themselves.
I would have them buy it for retail.

Any other good options?


Fix in house? This is body shop work at a minimum, not a service shop. All those parts you list come unfinished. They need to be primed, painted, sanded, clear coated, and baked by an experienced body shop.

Plastic parts need a different technique. Most states allow you choose the shop of your choice. But you are way beyond this anyway. Get legal and 3rd party auto help. Don't get snowed.


Seriously! I'd have an attorney on this ASAP and I'd demand restitution. Things like this aren't accidents unless the lift broke. It's negligence.
 
Originally Posted By: chad8
The shop that dropped the truck has a very good body shop. They had it torn apart the next day before my friend realized the potential latent damage and loss of value.


Did the imbeciles start disassembling the truck before they told your friend it was damaged? I would be EXTREMELY upset if a dealer tried to pull that with me...
 
I do not think they disassembled the truck before they got approval , but I think they rushed him to make a decision before he realized how his trucks value would be reduced. I heard the story the next day and advised him of the ramifications. That is how we got the lawyer involved.
 
Its an accident and glad no one was hurt there.

I would be upset too. Its too bad dealer just does not pay owner and give them a reasonable # between trade in and retail for it.
 
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