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A couple or so months ago I was viewing Motorweek Pat Goss show. On this episode Pat was talking about Transmission fluids, but he did make one comment which I'm not sure of. Pat mentioned that people should stay away from "Multi Trans fluids" the kind that meets alot of specs. He (Pat)said that the various types of material that makes up the internals can be damaged. His advice was to stick with the one fluid that specifically matches your car manufacturers recommendation. I see on oil manufacturers websites where their trans oil meets a whole lot of trans specs. I think he meant stay away from trans fluids that can be used in any trans. Can somebody clear this up for me?
 
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That sounds like a horrible blanket statement. Look at how many cars use a D4 or D6 fluid...it spans several makes and many many years. In reality there are only a handful of different fluids. Besides, if this was a problem we'd hear about transmissions blowing up left and right. Look at Redline's D6 ATF: Designed to satisfy Dexron-VI®, Dexron-III®, Dexron-II®, Mercon®SP and Mercedes Benz NAG-2 fluids Also satisfies API 70W/75W/80W and GL-4 gear oil requirements Or their D4 ATF: Our most versatile ATF, use where Dexron III®, Dexron II®, Mercon® and Mercon V® fluids are recommended, provides a GL-4 level of gear protection Popular applications: Toyota Type T-III and T-IV, Honda ATF Z1, NissanMatic D, J, K, & S, Diamond SP-II, SP-III, Mazda ATF M-V, most BMW, Audi, VW automatic transmissions Also used with manual transmissions and transaxles like T-5, T-45, T-56 and late-model BMW
 
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If he was referring to the multi-spec, one-size-fits-all fluids, I'd agree.
 
Originally Posted By: zrxkawboy
If he was referring to the multi-spec, one-size-fits-all fluids, I'd agree.
Such as?
 
Originally Posted By: dparm
Originally Posted By: zrxkawboy
If he was referring to the multi-spec, one-size-fits-all fluids, I'd agree.
Such as?
Amalie/Wolf's Head?
 
I actually agree with him. Despite Redline's claim that D6 is, "Designed to satisfy Dexron-VI®, Dexron-III®, Dexron-II®, Mercon®SP and Mercedes Benz NAG-2 fluids," there is no way that a single fluid can do all of this. Today's automatic transmissions are extremely complex beasts with exotic materials that vary considerably from manufacturer to manufacturer. The transmission manufacturer designs a fluid to work at optimum efficiency while providing optimum protection. While some of the physical characteristics of a multi-use fluid may be similar to multiple fluids, the additive packs, including amount and types of friction modifiers and protective additives will be different. In some cases, markedly so. Mercon SP is designed specifically for Ford's heavy duty truck transmissions and according to Ford, "..should not be used in applications requiring Mercon or MerconV." It is certainly different than Dexron-II. The differences between Dexron-II and Dexron-VI are also significant, although since Dexron-II and Dexron-III are now obsolete, GM recommends Dexron-VI in their place. To me, the bottom line is to use the fluid the manufacturer designed for a specific transmission and don't try to out-engineer the engineers.
 
The Mercon V spec caused me a lot of confusion. I found Motorcraft, Supertech, Castrol, Valvoline all had ATF that was labelled Mercon V. All of these (including Motorcraft) also indicated that they could be used in other applications. The Motorcraft statement surprised me because my recollection is that Ford advise against using a multi vehicle ATF that says it also meets Mercon V. Additional to the ATF that are labelled Mercon V are other ATF's that then claim they meet the Mercon V spec. Now, my understanding is that approved and meets are two different things. If it says Mercon V on the front, it is approved. Valvoline for example sells both an ATF that says Mercon V on the front, and then also sells a multi vehicle ATF that says it meets Mercon V on the back. At the end of the day, I went with the Motorcraft Mercon V because, apart from Supertech, it was the cheapest I could find and for the sake of a few dollars overall, it didn't make sense to try Supertech Mercon V or anything else. Garages, including dealers, in my opinion, are less likely to discriminate on this. Worse, they use some additives that bring the generic ATF up to Mercon V. This they do to keep things simple for the techs, hold less inventory, lower cost overall or just have been sold on the idea by a salesperson. My conclusion is that it's better to buy the ATF that specifically calls out that it is of the type your manufacturer recommends. I can totally see that some others may meet the spec and that your one may meet the spec for other ATF's. But the reason is likely as follows. There are x number of additives required in certain quantities. Many of these are common but the thresholds differ. In attaining Mercon V, you likely attain enough quantities of several additives to meet other standards. Some you don't meet. But in some cases, you may end up with quite a lot more of that additive than required. This is where the phrase "meets or exceeds" comes into play. The formulation may have a range of additive required. Too much of it may be harmful, it may not. But just as with our bodies, we need fat, we need carbohydrate, we need salt. There is an upper range of what we need, and then there is too much. It may affect us, it may not. Some people get away with it, some don't. The ideal is to have what is just right, so I conclude go with the ATF that is approved by the manufacturer as it contains only the additives you need and in the range you need them.
 
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Originally Posted By: OldCowboy
I actually agree with him. Despite Redline's claim that D6 is, "Designed to satisfy Dexron-VI®, Dexron-III®, Dexron-II®, Mercon®SP and Mercedes Benz NAG-2 fluids," there is no way that a single fluid can do all of this.
There is...since I think those are all essentially the same spec! The various Dexrons are all backwards-compatible, Mercon is just Ford's name for Dexron...I recall MerconSP is Dexron VI.
 
I can see him making that statement purely as a CYA move. Theoretically if he recommended one of the wonder fluids, someone could use it, destroy their trans, and sue him for recommending it. It is really safer for someone in his position to say "use the fluid recommended in your owners manual" from a legal point of view.
 
Sounds like a good blanket statement. It is safe and sane. There are some multis that are not as good as others. And as first choice, who would not want the best most appropriate fluid?
 
Since I have 3 vehicles to maintain (97 Q45, 98 740iL & 2004 Marauder) these range from Nissan Matic D, Mercon V & Esso LT 71141. The Pentosin Trans fluid is the only brand that has a narrow spec range, basicly design for German vehicles.
 
I still watch an love Motor Week but, like most of the main streem automotive press, they have now laid down in bed with the MFG's. I used to value Pat's segment but now they're just basic auto tech without much information involved. But, Pat will send you a MW T-shirt if he used you letter on air. When was the last time he read a viewers letter on air? I use to love Car&Driver too but, can't read it anymore without being discusted with their journalism and Editor comments these days. I see that even TTAC is softening up some...!
 
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