It's nice that you can afford to have separate vehicles for different uses. Many/most of us are not so fortunate.
Toyota press conference on solid state batteries
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A book? Battery size is a known quantity for both EVs and hybrids. It's not so much that the numbers are so far off, it's just interesting that you can't be bothered to do the most basic of research before making claims. But you did enough to make me curious enough to do a few web searches, so here goes.
FWIW, best case scenario, the Prius has a 1.4 kwh battery, the Prius plug in 4.4 kwh according to Wikipedia. Not sure if those are up to date for 2023 or not, but it's enough to make simple comparisons.
Comparing that to a Hummer EV at 210 kwh battery size, it's actually 150:1. However most EV vehicles don't have nearly that much battery capacity and at any rate the Hummer costs more than $100K. A better comparison than a Prius might be a Highlander hybrid or a Sienna hybrid.
A Motor Trend 2021 article I found about the Sienna hybrid does not mention a battery size but says it's smaller than the Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid's 16.0 KWH battery. So in that sense, you can onyl make 13.125 Pacifica batteries for every 1 Hummer EV battery.
A Model 3 standard range has 57.5 KWH, which yields a 41.07:1 ratio when compared to a Prius non-plug in. However if you use the Prius plug in vs the Model 3 standard range, then you're only talking about 13.06:1 ratio. There's also the additional consideration that the Prius has way less performance than the Model 3, although the size is similar from an interior capacity perspective. A perfect comparison would also consider the performance aspect.
Then you can make oddball comparisons. You can only make 2.5 Pacifica Hybrid batteries for every 1 Leaf standard range battery, but they don't really compete per se.
And so forth.
Why is it you think I'm that affluent? It's for 2 adults, we have two cars in our household currently. Not so radical among Americans I don't think, and the youngest of our cars is 5 years old.
The current MO, when it's just the three of us (1 kid at home) we take the Outlander because it is much more efficient. When we need more space for people or things, we take the Navigator. I work from home 4 days a week, and I take the Navigator to the train station and take the train into town when I go, it's less than half the cost of driving when you combine toll roads and gas usage.
If we traded out one for an EV, we'd probably use the EV as much as possible around town and the other vehicle for longer trips. This doesn't seem like a radical concept.
https://www.google.com/search?q=toy...id-samsung-ss&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
Lots of info there bud. Enjoy
Also look up..
A generalization.....that might help too.
It's an interesting comparison but it's not really a great comparison for Americans, because we don't really want to drive a car like a Prius. We want a 3 row SUV and there's only a couple of those that are not mild hybrids. So how many Highlander hybrids can we build for the same battery capacity of say the not yet released Kia EV9? (the Rivian is stupid expensive so not considered). Unfortunately the battery capacity is not yet public on those. But what's the overall carbon lifecycle of each, or if you don't care about carbon emissions, the overall lifecycle costs to operate? Guess we'll know soon.
The 2024 Toyota Grand Highlander Hybrid is a for-real 3-row 8-pass SUV for around $50k with some options and gets 36 mpg (a buddy of mine just purchased a 2023 AWD and is actually getting 39-41 mpg in Phoenix traffic). The Hybrid MAX version has 362 hp and runs around $60k with some options, lower than the Kia EV9. Both have 97.5 cu.ft. of cargo carrying capacity (20.6 with all the seats up), noticeably bigger than the Kia EV9. By comparison, a Ford Expedition has 104.6 cu.ft. cargo carrying capacity (20.9 with all the seats up), so you can see that the Grand Highlander is NOT small.
I don't need 362 HP but the lower hybrid could be something. The base model EV9 will be slow, has only 201 HP I read.
The problem with Toyota is the availability, the regional distributor Gulf States Toyota's worthless tack-ons, and the local dealer network's acceptance of it all. Every time I walk into a Toyota dealership, I walk out mad, and I've never even got as far as talking numbers with them. I would probably have to go out of state before I would consider doing business on a Toyota, it's that bad.
The last time I walked in it was when the current body style Tundra was new two years ago. I wanted an SR5 crew cab with no options. There is no such thing, the distributor tacks on the "TSS" off road package on every two wheel drive in this region. They sell like hotcakes, the sales people claim. Not to me they don't. I found out I don't like the truck anyway, I am 6'7" and the steering wheel doesn't go up nearly as high as it does on the domestics. Too bad, the interior is otherwise quite voluminous. I kept my Navigator.
It's been the same story every time I've looked at a Toyota in the Austin area the last 25+ years. I walk out shaking my head at GST. Whatever, they won't get my money. In this case it wouldn't have mattered because the tilt steering not getting enough out of the way is an issue, but still. Do I have an axe to grind with Toyota? You bet your rear I do. They need to put a stop to this crooked distribution network crap and take control of the national distribution network IN HOUSE. PERIOD.
I get your disgust with GST. I agree with you. You can get out of GST territory by going to New Mexico or Colorado. Toyota has been trying to get rid of the GST and SET distributors for over 40 years. They both have irrevocable distribution contracts and neither one of them will give them up. The dealers are caught between a rock and a hard place because they have no choice, and they sell every one of them that they can get their hands on.
The thing about it is, the Grand Highlander is the only full-hybrid near-full-size SUV being manufactured in the world, and it is hard to argue with the impressive gas mileage that it actually gets. It is also hard to argue with Toyota's reputation when it comes to reliability and longevity on their hybrids, or their resale value. Availability is, and will continue to be, a problem because Toyota can't keep up with the high demand, that should tell you something.
That’s what we did. I didn’t want the complexity of a hybrid. I know someone will say something about how reliable Toyota hybrids are and that’s not the point. It’s still complex and more systems to deal with that I have no interest in.
The woe is me approach is interesting and while I haven’t asked the above poster, I would not be surprised to learn that they might have a significant other that also needs transportation. That’s why I have 2 cars at least.
