Toyota owners "boring"?

[JHZR2]

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Originally posted by CBDFrontier06:
Like I said earlier..I'm sure he's a fun person to get stuck behind on an onramp.

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Like you have any experience or knowlege about how those cars move. It accelerates just fine, 0-60 is about 13s, and Ive never had any problems whatsoever - it accelerates fine enough for any normal person to get up to speed and get moving A-OK.

Oh, Im sorry, if you dont get to 60 MPH in less than 6 seconds, you might not be able to get up to your magical 70 MPH in time and merge. OK, got it, Ill just chalk it up to poor ability and merging skill on your part, and move on.

seems that grm386wa and brianl703 have got the idea - hp is irrelevant, its the driver's skill and ability. I guess youre compensating...

So, back on topic... toyota (i.e. not Altima) owners are boring???

JMH

 

[CBDFrontier06]

Oh, I agree..partially. I see people all the time around here who have spent the $$$ on a very capable, powerful cars and they drive like they have severe arthritis in their right foot (but the left foot is working FINE on the brake.) THEY are the ones that should be driving 60 hp Mercedes diesels, as nothing in their lives would be any different than in their 290 HP infinitis. But I also get behind my fare share of 80's vintage El Dorados, trucks running on 2/3 or less of their available cylinders, and seriously old Corollas that are nothing but a hazard to everyone around them. They fling these underpowered tanks out into traffic and wonder why they're getting passed, honked at and flipped off. Cars aren't getting more powerful ONLY because people desire more power. With the overcrowding situation on public roads, you need more power in order to pull out of your neighborhood Lowes without getting run over.

 

[CBDFrontier06]

0-60 in 13 seconds....Yeah, I'm SURE you don't **** anyone off. You may THINK you're doing fine, all the while ****** off commuters piling up behind you. Whatever....look behind you Mr Tunnel Vision.

 

[Win]

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Originally posted by brianl703:

Seems to me that it's the driver, not the HP, that is the problem.

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Of course there are bad drivers. But a dog car will always be a dog. Driving skill, no matter how great some here think theirs may be, cannot change power to weight ratios.

F = ma is not negotiable.

 

[JHZR2]

did it ever occur to you that a HUGE portion of vehicles on the road have 0-60 in over 10 seconds?

This seems to be understood by everyone but you.

Tunnel vision - the only prson with tunnel vision is you, who cant see beyond the 'requirement' to have >200 hp in order to proerly and safely drive on the roads. Definitely not the case.

No commuters pile up. If someone is pasing in the slow lane (a) theyre in the wrong, and (b) they can change lanes. I am very aware of what is going on behind - why dont you worry about how you drive, and not worry about me merging on the roads.. Obviously until I join the ">200 club" I wont be safe or a proper driver anyway. Get a clue.

JMH

 

[KieferS]

yeh, my mom loves camry, she's owned one from day 1 and will always buy one, So I was stuck driving her 99 camry until i got my jetta. The camry was horrible- Extremely boring- and it was a 5spd! i have never driven a car let alone one with a manual transmission that was so utterly boring to drive- the car had power- it wasn't slow, it had a good stereo from the factory, it was in all around nice car but it was sooooo boring, i nearly died when I Drove that thing. Another thing with toyota is there lackluster handling- I took a 94 Supra TT out on road atlanta once, and the handling was BLAH. From my expieriences- ppl with Toyota sedans are older, bland individuals, whose driving reflects it. Everyone in my family is a bad driver- everyone in my family (5 people) drive a camry- and they all drive slow, inexperienced like, but still safe- a trait which i have attributed to toyota drivers. I mean they were so desperate for a younger audience they had to make another brand- Scion. I guess you've gotta' respect that- they tried hard. The name 'Toyota' just doesn't appeal to the average teen.

 

[brianl703]

The Mercedes probably handles very well so it doesn't need to shed as much speed on the curved portion of the ramp.

I was going 55MPH on the ramp before I to got to
"Miss 40MPH Merge". Nothing like having to SLOW DOWN when the ramp straightens out..usually I am speeding up to 65MPH right there just because I know that many drivers on VA28 DO go that fast.

 

[CBDFrontier06]

I expected the Scion tC to sell well to the teenage crowd, but all I ever see driving them is 30-ish men. I drove it when I was shopping for a new car in late 2004...its driving dynamics reminded me of a short wheelbase Camry. You can tell they're related. I ended up with a Mazda 3.

 

[brianl703]

The Sction tC looks too...ahem.."juvenile" for me...

 

[JHZR2]

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Originally posted by Win:

But a dog car will always be a dog. Driving skill, no matter how great some here think theirs may be, cannot change power to weight ratios.

F = ma is not negotiable.

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So then I guess you would lump heavy truck drivers, professionals with more driving skill than all of us combined, into a group of extremely unsafe drivers, and users of an improper subset of vehicles that have no right to use the roads. After all, they drive 'slugs' of vehicles, and very poor power to weight ratios. And utilize more or less ALL roads, ALL the time.

Your view of the way things should be is severely jaded.

JMH

 

[JHZR2]

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Originally posted by CBDFrontier06:
I expected the Scion tC to sell well to the teenage crowd, but all I ever see driving them is 30-ish men. I drove it when I was shopping for a new car in late 2004...its driving dynamics reminded me of a short wheelbase Camry. You can tell they're related. I ended up with a Mazda 3.

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not the evil mazda 3... after all, you said:

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I got sick of having to floor my Sentra and pray for speed as I approach the highway. Same situation with my Ford Ranger, Mazda 3,

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too unsafe to merge on any road... it should be banned. The minimum specs to entry should be >200 HP, v6, and 0-60 under 6.5 seconds. right????

Yet somehow there are a LOT of compliments for the mazda 3. Yet if I only read your post, Id think that I couldnt possibly merge onto a highway safely in that car.

Oh yeah, highways are more crowded, so you have to go FASTER to get inbetween MORE cars, bunched CLOSER together. riiiight.

JMH

 

[Win]

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Originally posted by JHZR2: It accelerates just fine, 0-60 is about 13s,
JMH [/QB]

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Well, you like the car and that's what is important. Life is hectic enough without all the rush, anyway

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[CBDFrontier06]

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Originally posted by JHZR2:

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Originally posted by CBDFrontier06:
I expected the Scion tC to sell well to the teenage crowd, but all I ever see driving them is 30-ish men. I drove it when I was shopping for a new car in late 2004...its driving dynamics reminded me of a short wheelbase Camry. You can tell they're related. I ended up with a Mazda 3.

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not the evil mazda 3... after all, you said:

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I got sick of having to floor my Sentra and pray for speed as I approach the highway. Same situation with my Ford Ranger, Mazda 3,

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too unsafe to merge on any road... it should be banned. The minimum specs to entry should be >200 HP, v6, and 0-60 under 6.5 seconds. right????

Yet somehow there are a LOT of compliments for the mazda 3. Yet if I only read your post, Id think that I couldnt possibly merge onto a highway safely in that car.

Oh yeah, highways are more crowded, so you have to go FASTER to get inbetween MORE cars, bunched CLOSER together. riiiight.

JMH

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You are TOTALLY out of control. Not that it's any of your business, but I sold the Mazda 3 this past April to get a 4.0 Nissan Frontier, which has NO problem getting to speed on the ramps. Enjoy your slug. Hope someone with a Hemi Ram doesn't push it into the ditch after you've pulled it out in front of him.

 

[JHZR2]

hahaha.

Im suprised your accord had so many rattles and QC issues.. A lemmon I suppose - Id expect better.

As for the VW, it's about what Ive heard from friends who own jettas and GTIs.

JMH

 

[Quattro Pete]

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And nor am I in the lobby of the honda service department for the 7th time in a month to fix a rattle from the back, silver paint in the headlight housing peeling.... etc.

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Heh, that sounds very familiar. My Accord ('00) had plenty of QC issues as well... air leaks (caused howling noises), water leaks (rear passenger floor was getting wet), poor fit and finish. And on top of that, the dealer people were clueless as to how to locate the leaks and how to fix them. After numerous dealer visits, I ended up spending the time to locate the air leak myself.

Anyway, after reading so much about Honda reliability and quality prior to making the purchase, I was pretty much expecting perfection, so you can imagine my shock. On top of that, I got bored with the car very quickly and within a year I sold it. I guess I just had bad luck (I hear the Japan-made Accords are better in terms of QC), but the incompetence of two different Honda service departments cured me from ever wanting a Honda again.

 

[SSQ]

It's not even the fact that the Honda dealers are clueless and their cars suck. Their customer care department isn't great as well. They assign you a customer care representative who is impossible to reach because she gets lunch from 11 to 2, and when she is there, she put you on hold for as long as it takes for you to hang up.

It's not that toyotas are all problem free, but at least they care.

 

[Va Runner]

Boring????
I'll take my Toyotas over anything else I've ever owned. Bullet proof running gear, fantastic MPG, exceptional resale vales and reasonable insurance rates.
Never a problem with my 2003 Tacoma Doublecab and I really enjoy the easy access for normal maintenance.
A new 2006 Corolla with the manual transmission. I have averaged over 41 MPG in my 1st 1200 miles....oh yeah, no problems, aqueaks, or need to visit dealer. I plan on driving this boring car for the next 10 years ......
Some people equate boring with dependability, reliability and being trustworthy.....is that a bad thing and something we should avoid??

 

[rjundi]

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Originally posted by CBDFrontier06:
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Sounds like a Subaru, but not sure. Whatchya driving? Sounds like fun

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Subaru Legacy GT Wagon with 5 speed, its a hoot to drive. The motor is a civilized version of STI's just detuned for earlier torque/HP although less of it.

 

[Quattro Pete]

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Some people equate boring with dependability, reliability and being trustworthy....

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Huh? I don't think anyone in this discussion is claiming such a thing. Just the opposite. No one here is saying that Toyota is not dependable, reliable, or trustworthy, but that does not preclude it from making boring cars (some of them at least).

I think we've defined what 'boring' means over the past 5 pages of this discussion.

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.....is that a bad thing and something we should avoid??

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Absolutely not. Just the opposite, for a large part of the population that is the right type of car.

 

[KieferS]

I hate toyota- because it is not a fun car, its boring; thats why ill never buy one- I treat my car well, i do my routine maintanance, and my car has never let me down and its a VW- probably the most unreliable frikin' car you can own.I'm 17- i deserve a little more exitement in my life- i'll get a toyota in 30 more years.