Same. And I own 4 torque wrenches.
TOYOTA OIL DRAIN PLUG GASKET
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I don't like anything plastic like under a tightened bolt. The material can "cold flow" away from the pressure and cause the bolt to loosen over time. I would imagine a hot oil sump would make it worse.
I've seen those coated washers on Amazon but will not use them.
I've seen those coated washers on Amazon but will not use them.
So, now that there have been some answers, I gotta ask: what's wrong with the crimped crush washers that literally crush, like Toyota specs on their truck transmission pans and differential drains?
Subaru also uses extensively on engine oil drains and maybe some diff drains.
I guess just not wanting to replace it every oil change?
Subaru also uses extensively on engine oil drains and maybe some diff drains.
I guess just not wanting to replace it every oil change?
This thread blows my mind. 18 ft# is too low. I’ve never even heard of a properly installed Toyota washer leaking or backing off. There’s a lotta Toyotas out there; if a problem existed why would Toyota still use them?
And I have to believe millions have been successfully reused, many numerous times.
And I have to believe millions have been successfully reused, many numerous times.
I never used one, outside of work, until about a year ago. Then one day I was like why do I even have them if I’m not going to use them. So I started using them.
Great thread.
It's a two pager so far.
There once was a poster who proudly declared his gasket part number in his signature.
It's a two pager so far.
There once was a poster who proudly declared his gasket part number in his signature.
Oil-Tite sells a metal outer rubber inner gasket. Excellent. Other companies sell similar.
How about a Fumoto valve?
How about a Fumoto valve?
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Foolproof plan.
Maybe not if it is under torqued?
From my experience using the blue coated washers on a Highlander, making the plug too tight fused the blue coating onto the pan and was a real pain to remove. But mine may have been knockoffs on eBay so I dumped them.
The factory drain plug gasket on a 2021 Corolla that I service had already fused to the pan. I've reused it for four oil changes without issue. I do güdentite on the drain plug.
Just a thought, they sell washers for these too on Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07YVKL6D...Z867P9ED7&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it&th=1
Thanks for all the interest and replies. The 18 ft-lb spec for the drain plug came from a posting on Toyota Nation from 2009 (been a member on that forum for more than 10 years) that had an illustration showing the torque in both newton-meters and ft-lbs. for the 4-cylinder engine.
The Camry's I own are a 2005 and 2008 models. The 2005 I bought new and I am the the only person that has ever changed the oil in this car. The 2008 I have had for 10+ years and I am the only one changing the oil on that vehicle since I took possession. I have always used the 18 ft-lb spec on BOTH vehicles and has served me well until about 2 years ago when something changed with the construction of the drain plug washer. I searched Toyota Nation forum about the problem and other owners are having a similar problem. Some say there are counterfeit providers that are using a different coating but I can't say for sure.
I see some illustrations for different Toyota models that show 30 ft-lbs. I did find that almost ALL Toyota's use a 12mm x 1.25" drain plug.
At this point I am going to stop using the Toyota coated washers are use an all aluminum 12mm crush washer and start with 18 ft-lbs and keep increasing the torque if I notice it coming loose.
The Camry's I own are a 2005 and 2008 models. The 2005 I bought new and I am the the only person that has ever changed the oil in this car. The 2008 I have had for 10+ years and I am the only one changing the oil on that vehicle since I took possession. I have always used the 18 ft-lb spec on BOTH vehicles and has served me well until about 2 years ago when something changed with the construction of the drain plug washer. I searched Toyota Nation forum about the problem and other owners are having a similar problem. Some say there are counterfeit providers that are using a different coating but I can't say for sure.
I see some illustrations for different Toyota models that show 30 ft-lbs. I did find that almost ALL Toyota's use a 12mm x 1.25" drain plug.
At this point I am going to stop using the Toyota coated washers are use an all aluminum 12mm crush washer and start with 18 ft-lbs and keep increasing the torque if I notice it coming loose.
I very confident that the torque spec for your drain plug should be 30# as others have mentioned. Get a day subscription to TIS (Tis is the Toyota factory service manual) to verify. Just because something was posted online doesn't make it true.
"Question...has any one experienced this problem using TOYOTA drain plug gaskets?"
Yes! (Avalon, Sienna, Rav4, etc)
I change the only on various friends of mine. Mazda, Honda, Subaru, Volvo, Nissan and Toyota (I own 3 toyotas).
The only drain plugs I have had this happen with is the toyotas using those coated washers.
I bought some aftermarket washers and have sometimes encountered that the coating tears off (as if it's a paper like coating that separates form the metal washer).
I just got a new pack of washers that feels more like a sprayed on rubber like coating. Maybe they will be better.
Otherwise I'm going to find a properly sized actual crush washer or move to a solid aluminum one.
The toyotas with these washers is the only car I've ever had this happen on. Very strange
Yes! (Avalon, Sienna, Rav4, etc)
I change the only on various friends of mine. Mazda, Honda, Subaru, Volvo, Nissan and Toyota (I own 3 toyotas).
The only drain plugs I have had this happen with is the toyotas using those coated washers.
I bought some aftermarket washers and have sometimes encountered that the coating tears off (as if it's a paper like coating that separates form the metal washer).
I just got a new pack of washers that feels more like a sprayed on rubber like coating. Maybe they will be better.
Otherwise I'm going to find a properly sized actual crush washer or move to a solid aluminum one.
The toyotas with these washers is the only car I've ever had this happen on. Very strange
I have only seen this issue on high mileage engines where the oil pan drain plug threads are weak.
Also, the published drain plug torque spec is definitely intended for dry threads and surfaces. 30ft lbs will feel way too tight on Toyota steel pans during a routine oil change.
Also, the published drain plug torque spec is definitely intended for dry threads and surfaces. 30ft lbs will feel way too tight on Toyota steel pans during a routine oil change.
If 30 ft-lbs is too tight...what would you recommend? I checked the drain plug this morning after driving about 60 miles yesterday and sure enough it was loose again (I ordered new aluminum crush washers and have not received them yet). I torqued it to 25 ft-lbs and thought it felt really tight.
