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Was your filter empty when you removed it?
On my '15 Tacoma, a Mobil-1 filter is empty when I remove it, but a Royal Purple filter is full upon removal, and the oil gushes out. That tells me that the ADBV on the latter works much better.
On my '15 Tacoma, a Mobil-1 filter is empty when I remove it, but a Royal Purple filter is full upon removal, and the oil gushes out. That tells me that the ADBV on the latter works much better.
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Originally Posted By: JerryBob
Was your filter empty when you removed it?
On my '15 Tacoma, a Mobil-1 filter is empty when I remove it, but a Royal Purple filter is full upon removal, and the oil gushes out. That tells me that the ADBV on the latter works much better.
Arent Mobil1 and Royal Purple filters made by the same people with close to the same specs?
Was your filter empty when you removed it?
On my '15 Tacoma, a Mobil-1 filter is empty when I remove it, but a Royal Purple filter is full upon removal, and the oil gushes out. That tells me that the ADBV on the latter works much better.
Arent Mobil1 and Royal Purple filters made by the same people with close to the same specs?
Originally Posted By: JerryBob
Was your filter empty when you removed it?
On my '15 Tacoma, a Mobil-1 filter is empty when I remove it, but a Royal Purple filter is full upon removal, and the oil gushes out. That tells me that the ADBV on the latter works much better.
A little bit of oil drained out when I removed the filter.
Was your filter empty when you removed it?
On my '15 Tacoma, a Mobil-1 filter is empty when I remove it, but a Royal Purple filter is full upon removal, and the oil gushes out. That tells me that the ADBV on the latter works much better.
A little bit of oil drained out when I removed the filter.
The adbv on these is fine, whatever it is made of. It may be silicone. If it is nitrile, it is good nitrile. Color doesn't mean what it's made of is the same, brand to brand. Mann valves are whitish, some valves are orange, some more red. Try cleaning it off and see how it sticks to a clean baseplate. I bet it acts like a new one. The bypass valve on these is also very good.
Where else do you see pleats that are so evenly spaced? I've used the OEM oil filter for years and have cut them all open. Have never seen a defect. If TMC believes they are good enough, they are good enough. What automobile manufacturer wants to have engine failures due to lubrication problems? I enjoy this forum but think oil filters are way over thought. DENSO
Originally Posted By: goodtimes
The adbv on these is fine, whatever it is made of. It may be silicone. If it is nitrile, it is good nitrile. Color doesn't mean what it's made of is the same, brand to brand. Mann valves are whitish, some valves are orange, some more red. Try cleaning it off and see how it sticks to a clean baseplate. I bet it acts like a new one. The bypass valve on these is also very good.
Here's a test to determine if the ADBV is silicone or not. Throw it in the freezer for a couple hours, then see if it is still super pliable. If not, then it's nitrile.
The adbv on these is fine, whatever it is made of. It may be silicone. If it is nitrile, it is good nitrile. Color doesn't mean what it's made of is the same, brand to brand. Mann valves are whitish, some valves are orange, some more red. Try cleaning it off and see how it sticks to a clean baseplate. I bet it acts like a new one. The bypass valve on these is also very good.
Here's a test to determine if the ADBV is silicone or not. Throw it in the freezer for a couple hours, then see if it is still super pliable. If not, then it's nitrile.
Originally Posted By: HosteenJorje
Where else do you see pleats that are so evenly spaced? I've used the OEM oil filter for years and have cut them all open. Have never seen a defect. If TMC believes they are good enough, they are good enough. What automobile manufacturer wants to have engine failures due to lubrication problems? I enjoy this forum but think oil filters are way over thought. DENSO
Agree. That is a gorgeous looking filter. The resin/glue job on the end vs. a cap seems ok. I bought a Fram Ultra the other day for the first time, and there was glue all over the baseplate. At least Denso put the glue where it belongs. Unfortunately they do not make a good fit for my SUV, but may have to switch back to these for the Lexus.
Where else do you see pleats that are so evenly spaced? I've used the OEM oil filter for years and have cut them all open. Have never seen a defect. If TMC believes they are good enough, they are good enough. What automobile manufacturer wants to have engine failures due to lubrication problems? I enjoy this forum but think oil filters are way over thought. DENSO
Agree. That is a gorgeous looking filter. The resin/glue job on the end vs. a cap seems ok. I bought a Fram Ultra the other day for the first time, and there was glue all over the baseplate. At least Denso put the glue where it belongs. Unfortunately they do not make a good fit for my SUV, but may have to switch back to these for the Lexus.
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....Here's a test to determine if the ADBV is silicone or not. Throw it in the freezer for a couple hours, then see if it is still super pliable. If not, then it's nitrile....
I'll say this about that, when I see a black adbv of silicone composition authoritatively posted on this board, it will be a first 'for me'. And I'll add, in my observation generally speaking when a filter specs a silicone adbv, they are proud to point it out, ie., advertise it in their specs.
That said, as long as one doesn't get a start up rattle, might not be an issue. Even then, not a huge issue. They are generally good for 'at least' 5k mile/6month oci.
....Here's a test to determine if the ADBV is silicone or not. Throw it in the freezer for a couple hours, then see if it is still super pliable. If not, then it's nitrile....
I'll say this about that, when I see a black adbv of silicone composition authoritatively posted on this board, it will be a first 'for me'. And I'll add, in my observation generally speaking when a filter specs a silicone adbv, they are proud to point it out, ie., advertise it in their specs.
That said, as long as one doesn't get a start up rattle, might not be an issue. Even then, not a huge issue. They are generally good for 'at least' 5k mile/6month oci.
I had a Toyota adbv sitting on my desk so I put it in the freezer. It stayed soft and pliable at 0 degrees, no changes. Maybe at -20 but my freezer is 0. The reason I was saying all nitrile adbv's are not the same was from reading this article, not defending any company:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrile_rubber
Nitrile appears to be mainly two components, so the ratio of each changes the product according to the maker's wishes. The article also says it is fairly easy to make and is often made in poorer countries. It also talks about kinds, NBR, HBR and XNBR.
I noticed it said something about white filler used in HBR,(maybe Mann filters white adbv?) and NBR is actually yellowish, or orange or red naturally. I think a high quality nitrile compound specified and QC'd by a company like Baldwin or Toyota is going to have everything right about it for the use in an oil filter. That's just my opinion on that one. But on the other hand, some nitrile valves might be poor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrile_rubber
Nitrile appears to be mainly two components, so the ratio of each changes the product according to the maker's wishes. The article also says it is fairly easy to make and is often made in poorer countries. It also talks about kinds, NBR, HBR and XNBR.
I noticed it said something about white filler used in HBR,(maybe Mann filters white adbv?) and NBR is actually yellowish, or orange or red naturally. I think a high quality nitrile compound specified and QC'd by a company like Baldwin or Toyota is going to have everything right about it for the use in an oil filter. That's just my opinion on that one. But on the other hand, some nitrile valves might be poor.
Originally Posted By: ChevyBadger
Originally Posted By: JerryBob
Was your filter empty when you removed it?
On my '15 Tacoma, a Mobil-1 filter is empty when I remove it, but a Royal Purple filter is full upon removal, and the oil gushes out. That tells me that the ADBV on the latter works much better.
Arent Mobil1 and Royal Purple filters made by the same people with close to the same specs?
They're very different. RP is wire-backed synthetic media, Mobil-1 is cellulose. I'll stop here, and let you do some research.
Originally Posted By: JerryBob
Was your filter empty when you removed it?
On my '15 Tacoma, a Mobil-1 filter is empty when I remove it, but a Royal Purple filter is full upon removal, and the oil gushes out. That tells me that the ADBV on the latter works much better.
Arent Mobil1 and Royal Purple filters made by the same people with close to the same specs?
They're very different. RP is wire-backed synthetic media, Mobil-1 is cellulose. I'll stop here, and let you do some research.
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Originally Posted By: JerryBob
Originally Posted By: ChevyBadger
Originally Posted By: JerryBob
Was your filter empty when you removed it?
On my '15 Tacoma, a Mobil-1 filter is empty when I remove it, but a Royal Purple filter is full upon removal, and the oil gushes out. That tells me that the ADBV on the latter works much better.
Arent Mobil1 and Royal Purple filters made by the same people with close to the same specs?
They're very different. RP is wire-backed synthetic media, Mobil-1 is cellulose. I'll stop here, and let you do some research.
lol, I was just asking. I have never cared about using either. Thanks Ill check em out since I got 1 Mobil1 on Rockautos clearance for $3. I will honestly never seek out a Royal Purple but Ill check em out like I said.
Originally Posted By: ChevyBadger
Originally Posted By: JerryBob
Was your filter empty when you removed it?
On my '15 Tacoma, a Mobil-1 filter is empty when I remove it, but a Royal Purple filter is full upon removal, and the oil gushes out. That tells me that the ADBV on the latter works much better.
Arent Mobil1 and Royal Purple filters made by the same people with close to the same specs?
They're very different. RP is wire-backed synthetic media, Mobil-1 is cellulose. I'll stop here, and let you do some research.
lol, I was just asking. I have never cared about using either. Thanks Ill check em out since I got 1 Mobil1 on Rockautos clearance for $3. I will honestly never seek out a Royal Purple but Ill check em out like I said.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Toyota/Denso filters are well built, but not very efficient. So if someone is looking for efficiency, there are better choices.
If using the oft referenced Amsoil ISO oem test which confirmed respected member river rat's earlier test findings. And later followed by using the same design with similar results on Mitsu Evo board, would seem to be the case.
For whatever reason(s) the Asian vehicle manufactures don't seem to place emphasis on oem filter efficiency.
Solid looking construction though.
Toyota/Denso filters are well built, but not very efficient. So if someone is looking for efficiency, there are better choices.
If using the oft referenced Amsoil ISO oem test which confirmed respected member river rat's earlier test findings. And later followed by using the same design with similar results on Mitsu Evo board, would seem to be the case.
For whatever reason(s) the Asian vehicle manufactures don't seem to place emphasis on oem filter efficiency.
Solid looking construction though.
^^^ sayjac - thanks for the link to the Mitsu Evo board. Didn't realize someone else did an independent bench test along the same methods as river_rat's. Looks like they both came up with pretty much the same conclusions.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Toyota/Denso filters are well built, but not very efficient. So if someone is looking for efficiency, there are better choices.
At what mileage/age will the benefit of using a more efficient oil filter begin to show up(compared to using a less efficient oil filter)? Is it 50,000 miles? 100,000 miles? I doubt the average owner, following all the OEM recommended maintenance schedules, would see any noticeable difference in ten/fifteen years of ownership @12,000 miles a year.
Toyota/Denso filters are well built, but not very efficient. So if someone is looking for efficiency, there are better choices.
At what mileage/age will the benefit of using a more efficient oil filter begin to show up(compared to using a less efficient oil filter)? Is it 50,000 miles? 100,000 miles? I doubt the average owner, following all the OEM recommended maintenance schedules, would see any noticeable difference in ten/fifteen years of ownership @12,000 miles a year.
Originally Posted By: ChevyBadger
Originally Posted By: JerryBob
Originally Posted By: ChevyBadger
Originally Posted By: JerryBob
Was your filter empty when you removed it?
On my '15 Tacoma, a Mobil-1 filter is empty when I remove it, but a Royal Purple filter is full upon removal, and the oil gushes out. That tells me that the ADBV on the latter works much better.
Arent Mobil1 and Royal Purple filters made by the same people with close to the same specs?
They're very different. RP is wire-backed synthetic media, Mobil-1 is cellulose. I'll stop here, and let you do some research.
lol, I was just asking. I have never cared about using either. Thanks Ill check em out since I got 1 Mobil1 on Rockautos clearance for $3. I will honestly never seek out a Royal Purple but Ill check em out like I said.
I have 3 cars, so I buy the RPs online at Pepboys with a 30% discount code (good for shopping carts over $75). That gets the price down to about $11, within spitting distance of the Fram Ultras that every here fawns over.
I pick them up because they're just a few blocks away.
Originally Posted By: JerryBob
Originally Posted By: ChevyBadger
Originally Posted By: JerryBob
Was your filter empty when you removed it?
On my '15 Tacoma, a Mobil-1 filter is empty when I remove it, but a Royal Purple filter is full upon removal, and the oil gushes out. That tells me that the ADBV on the latter works much better.
Arent Mobil1 and Royal Purple filters made by the same people with close to the same specs?
They're very different. RP is wire-backed synthetic media, Mobil-1 is cellulose. I'll stop here, and let you do some research.
lol, I was just asking. I have never cared about using either. Thanks Ill check em out since I got 1 Mobil1 on Rockautos clearance for $3. I will honestly never seek out a Royal Purple but Ill check em out like I said.
I have 3 cars, so I buy the RPs online at Pepboys with a 30% discount code (good for shopping carts over $75). That gets the price down to about $11, within spitting distance of the Fram Ultras that every here fawns over.
I pick them up because they're just a few blocks away.
Originally Posted By: sayjac
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Toyota/Denso filters are well built, but not very efficient. So if someone is looking for efficiency, there are better choices.
If using the oft referenced Amsoil ISO oem test which confirmed respected member river rat's earlier test findings. And later followed by using the same design with similar results on Mitsu Evo board, would seem to be the case.
For whatever reason(s) the Asian vehicle manufactures don't seem to place emphasis on oem filter efficiency.
Solid looking construction though.
sayjac - Thanks. The thread is a very good read. I found it interesting the author liked the high efficiency filters but then made this statement in the followup dialog:
"I will say that simply sticking to an aggressive OCI will work better than anything else, as your basically removing the contaminated oil which will always be superior to letting a filter work and circulate. I have read that the oil does need to start to break down to work properly, so if you have too aggressive of an OCI you're actually doing yourself a disservice. Most people change out their oil so often that running a very expensive filter is completely unnecessary, as stated in various posts in the past on EvoM."
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Toyota/Denso filters are well built, but not very efficient. So if someone is looking for efficiency, there are better choices.
If using the oft referenced Amsoil ISO oem test which confirmed respected member river rat's earlier test findings. And later followed by using the same design with similar results on Mitsu Evo board, would seem to be the case.
For whatever reason(s) the Asian vehicle manufactures don't seem to place emphasis on oem filter efficiency.
Solid looking construction though.
sayjac - Thanks. The thread is a very good read. I found it interesting the author liked the high efficiency filters but then made this statement in the followup dialog:
"I will say that simply sticking to an aggressive OCI will work better than anything else, as your basically removing the contaminated oil which will always be superior to letting a filter work and circulate. I have read that the oil does need to start to break down to work properly, so if you have too aggressive of an OCI you're actually doing yourself a disservice. Most people change out their oil so often that running a very expensive filter is completely unnecessary, as stated in various posts in the past on EvoM."
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^^^^^The author of that camparo/test used bitog river rat/rob's test design, the summary Rob's results can be found HERE. If you want to see the entire thread of his work you can google 'some Some Filtration Comparisons from the Bench'. While it's somewhat dated now and newer synthetic filters not included, his results unlike some others (GMC filter comparo) pretty much correlated to then known ISO test efficiency ratings for the filters.
And to the topic, in the case of the oem Toyota filter and similar no endcap type filters, his results were later confirmed by the Amsoil ISO 2011 test. Before that there was no oem filter information on Toyota and similar filters so Rob would/could have had no idea when he tested them that that the results for them should have shown significantly lower efficiency. I found that pretty amazing and lent itself all the more to the validity of his test and the reliability of his results. Not too shabby at all for a basement filtration test comparo.
Back to author of Mitsu Evo and his opinion on "aggressive OCI." I find it a little ambiguous. I think most on bitog far more knowledgeable than me would completely agree with his last two sentences. dnewton has oft posted about changing the oil too soon/too often. The first sentence about 'aggressive oci' is too vague for me and could be left out. I'd say run an oil and filter to match the intended oci/fci and get the max roi. In other words, don't run Mobil 1/PP and an Ultra for 5-6k/6 month oci/fci. Just wasteful imo and not coming close to the oil and filter intended use and/or limit. My .02 on that.
Originally Posted By: HosteenJorje
... At what mileage/age will the benefit of using a more efficient oil filter begin to show up(compared to using a less efficient oil filter)? Is it 50,000 miles? 100,000 miles? I doubt the average owner, following all the OEM recommended maintenance schedules, would see any noticeable difference in ten/fifteen years of ownership @12,000 miles a year.
Point noted.
Otoh and 'strictly' playing devil's advocate here, what's the difference between someone desiring to use a more efficient ISO rated oil filter, and someone admiring/desiring Toy oem 'evenly spaced pleating'. Rhetorical. Just someone's preference. And it should be noted, I use and have used all kinds/brands of filters, mostly with value for construction type, coo, and some efficiency that I desire. And while I'm currently running an FU on a Tacoma, to ~15k two ocis, a Napa Gold/Wix will be replacing it. So ultimate efficiency not a must for me. But, that's my preference.
And to the topic, in the case of the oem Toyota filter and similar no endcap type filters, his results were later confirmed by the Amsoil ISO 2011 test. Before that there was no oem filter information on Toyota and similar filters so Rob would/could have had no idea when he tested them that that the results for them should have shown significantly lower efficiency. I found that pretty amazing and lent itself all the more to the validity of his test and the reliability of his results. Not too shabby at all for a basement filtration test comparo.
Back to author of Mitsu Evo and his opinion on "aggressive OCI." I find it a little ambiguous. I think most on bitog far more knowledgeable than me would completely agree with his last two sentences. dnewton has oft posted about changing the oil too soon/too often. The first sentence about 'aggressive oci' is too vague for me and could be left out. I'd say run an oil and filter to match the intended oci/fci and get the max roi. In other words, don't run Mobil 1/PP and an Ultra for 5-6k/6 month oci/fci. Just wasteful imo and not coming close to the oil and filter intended use and/or limit. My .02 on that.
Originally Posted By: HosteenJorje
... At what mileage/age will the benefit of using a more efficient oil filter begin to show up(compared to using a less efficient oil filter)? Is it 50,000 miles? 100,000 miles? I doubt the average owner, following all the OEM recommended maintenance schedules, would see any noticeable difference in ten/fifteen years of ownership @12,000 miles a year.
Point noted.
Otoh and 'strictly' playing devil's advocate here, what's the difference between someone desiring to use a more efficient ISO rated oil filter, and someone admiring/desiring Toy oem 'evenly spaced pleating'. Rhetorical. Just someone's preference. And it should be noted, I use and have used all kinds/brands of filters, mostly with value for construction type, coo, and some efficiency that I desire. And while I'm currently running an FU on a Tacoma, to ~15k two ocis, a Napa Gold/Wix will be replacing it. So ultimate efficiency not a must for me. But, that's my preference.
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