Toyota 0w20

[21Rouge]

Originally Posted By: Bruce T
Feel free to correct me, but the US version is possibly Eneos, but Caterham thought the Canadian version was Esso?


I think "we" have concluded that Esso is at best the distributor of the "Canadian" Toyota 0W20 and that Idemitsu is the actual manufacturer.

Originally Posted By: Bruce T
Sigh, the 8.85 viscosity isn't quite as high as everyone had hoped,

 

[rcy]

Originally Posted By: Bruce T
Feel free to correct me, but the US version is possibly Eneos, but Caterham thought the Canadian version was Esso? Ha, major car companies don't like it when we try to peek under the label.

Sigh, the 8.85 viscosity isn't quite as high as everyone had hoped, but it's still a bit higher than the average 0W-20.


Most recent theory is that Idemitsu makes it. In Canada it's 'distributed' by Imperial Oil (Esso).

The Visc@100c is either 8.85, 9.3 or 9.7 depending on which lab you believe.

Regardless, it's in my hybrid now (as of yesterday). This oil is really light coloured. I could barely see it on the dipstick and had to angle the dipstick into the light to make it stand out.

First cold morning start was today, and it fired up effortlessly. Sounded quieter to me at that first cold idle, as I'd always thought (since getting this veh in June this year and running PP 5w30) that it sounded a bit rattly for a Lexus.

 

[21Rouge]

Originally Posted By: rcy
The Visc@100c is either 8.85, 9.3 or 9.7 depending on which lab you believe.


Again a bit frustrating. For sure I am no fluid analysis person but I would have imagined that a visc. reading would have been more consistent across labs?

 

[CATERHAM]

21Rouge, since you've bought a 10 OA package from Toromont you should be happy that they appear to be quite accurate with their figures, at least the 100C vis is spot on with the Toyota spec'.

I don't think we should have to wait too long for an UOA.
byez in Edmonton is running this oil in his Tundra and he said he would do an UOA in about a month. Hopefully he will because it will be an undoctored sample since he has been running this oil exclusively for the past 50,000 km.

 

[21Rouge]

Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
21Rouge, since you've bought a 10 OA package from Toromont you should be happy that they appear to be quite accurate with their figures, at least the 100C vis is spot on with the Toyota spec'.


For sure being cynical but I can imagine a lab could look at the company's product spec sheet and at the best see that their lab's test result is close to the published # or at the worst use that official number.

Btw, CATERHAM if you need one or two of these test kits just let me know.

Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
byez in Edmonton is running this oil in his Tundra and he said he would do an UOA in about a month. Hopefully he will because it will be an undoctored sample since he has been running this oil exclusively for the past 50,000 km.


So just to confim: byez has been using Toyota 0W20 only for the past 50k km? And this will be his first UOA? That is perfect.

 

[rcy]

[censored]??

Just got the missing results from Toromont re: TBN and TAN.

According to them, the TBN is 12!!!! and the Tan is 0.5

I wish I could to VOA's myself, so I could trust the results..

 

[CATERHAM]

I wouldn't sweat the TBN number in a VOA so much. What come up in the UOA when the time comes is all that matters.

 

[CATERHAM]

Originally Posted By: 21Rouge
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
21Rouge, since you've bought a 10 OA package from Toromont you should be happy that they appear to be quite accurate with their figures, at least the 100C vis is spot on with the Toyota spec'.


For sure being cynical but I can imagine a lab could look at the company's product spec sheet and at the best see that their lab's test result is close to the published # or at the worst use that official number.

Btw, CATERHAM if you need one or two of these test kits just let me know.

Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
byez in Edmonton is running this oil in his Tundra and he said he would do an UOA in about a month. Hopefully he will because it will be an undoctored sample since he has been running this oil exclusively for the past 50,000 km.


So just to confim: byez has been using Toyota 0W20 only for the past 50k km? And this will be his first UOA? That is perfect.


You're more cynical than I am, as that didn't even cross my mind.
I'm sure rcy didn't provide the Toyota spec's to Toromont and IMO it would be too much bother for them to try and dig up Toyota's spec's for an $18 test.

Yes byez as the OP in another thread said the Toyota oil is the only oil he has run since the truck was new. I just hope he does a UOA.

 

[Bruce T]

Originally Posted By: 21Rouge
I think "we" have concluded that Esso is at best the distributor of the "Canadian" Toyota 0W20 and that Idemitsu is the actual manufacturer.


Interesting, Idemitsu apparently makes both the Toyota and Honda 0W-20 oils. That's good news from Caterham about byez, and I look forward to seeing his UOA.

rcy, I agree. The Toromont TBN of 12 and TAN of 0.5 is clearly wrong. It would help to know the real VOA numbers as a reference for future UOAs, so you know how far it has dropped.

Also, I'm glad the Toyota 0W-20 has reduced your cold idle noise. This is important to me, too, although I realize it doesn't always correlate with reduced engine wear.

As an example, I found that RLI 0W-20 ran drastically quieter and smoother than Honda 0W-20 in my Civic Hybrid. Back when I was using Red Line 5W-30 in a Camry V-6 manual, I noticed no subjective improvement, although both oils are ester based (and expensive). In fact, Red Line ran slightly rougher than Valvoline SynPower, a Group III oil. Go figure. I knew that the Red Line was offering excellent protection, so I didn't worry about it.

 

[CATERHAM]

Looks like Idemitsu doesn't make the Toyota 0W-20 after all.

I requested a MSDS for both the Honda and Toyota 0W-20 from Idemitsu and just got it for the Honda 0W-20.
I provided more info on the Toyota oil including the part # and was told "we don't currently have a Toyota 0W-20, sorry!"

I'm now going back to my original thought; The Nippon Oil Company, the same people that make the ENEOS brand.
The company has an lubricant and grease production facility in Childersburg, Alabama. They don't have a website and their phone # 256-378-1077 doesn't work for me (could be my VOIP US connection not working). If I can get more confirming info I'll post it.

 

[21Rouge]

Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Looks like Idemitsu doesn't make the Toyota 0W-20 after all.

I'm now going back to my original thought; The Nippon Oil Company, the same people that make the ENEOS brand.

The company has an lubricant and grease production facility in Childersburg, Alabama. They don't have a website and their phone # 256-378-1077 doesn't work for me (could be my VOIP US connection not working). If I can get more confirming info I'll post it.


And the mystery deepens. Again it seems a bit crazy that we cant yet confirm the company that produces this oil. Heck it is only motor oil, not weapons grade uranium!

 

[CATERHAM]

Now that's funny!

 

[Bruce T]

I'll have Toyota 0W-20 tested by Dyson Analysis and post it in the VOA section, probably in mid to late Dec. I'll place the new Toyota numbers side-by-side with Honda, Red Line, and RLI. It should help a bit with standardization using the same lab for all four. I bet the Toyota 0W-20 will look just as solid as Honda.

 

[21Rouge]

Originally Posted By: Bruce T
I'll have Toyota 0W-20 tested by Dyson Analysis and post it in the VOA section, probably in mid to late Dec. I'll place the new Toyota numbers side-by-side with Honda, Red Line, and RLI. It should help a bit with standardization using the same lab for all four.


Thanks Bruce. It will be good to see all the ducks lined up in a row.

 

[rcy]

I don't really care who makes it, as long as it works in my engine (hopefully it will since I have a Toyota engine..!!) and it stays cheap.

A VOA by another lab will just drive me nuts if the numbers are different. Too bad I already used the bottle I sampled for Wearcheck and Toromont, or I would give 21Rouge a sample from that, then all samples would be from the same batch.

 

[21Rouge]

Originally Posted By: rcy
and it stays cheap.


I was quoted 5.65 a bottle. That is more expensive than you were able to obtain (although you probably got a case discount?)

Originally Posted By: rcy
Too bad I already used the bottle I sampled for Wearcheck and Toromont, or I would give 21Rouge a sample from that, then all samples would be from the same batch.


But still okay as all your bottles came from the same case and thus the same batch.

So after Bruce has got a VOA from Dyson's lab is it only Blackstone that we are missing?

 

[CATERHAM]

$5.65 is the same price at least since the summer when I first checked it out. The $4.49 ($4.75 incl taxes if you believe the deal rcy got at Burl' Toyota wasn't a mistake) is for a case of 12.

 

[21Rouge]

Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
$5.65 is the same price at least since the summer when I first checked it out. The $4.49 ($4.75 incl taxes if you believe the deal rcy got at Burl' Toyota wasn't a mistake) is for a case of 12.


That doesnt sound right. A savings of about $12 on a case of 12 seems far too generous.

 

[rcy]

I have the receipt to prove it (and Caterham has seen it).

I also went back and bought 5 more litres so I'd have enough for two oil changes (since I split the original case with Caterham). He charged me the same amount, but I think he and I have a "special" relationship since he showed me the Toyota memo about 0w20 being synthetic and I gave him a copy of the VOAs of the oil.

I think I'll ask him to be best man at my wedding...

IIRC, (I'm at work and don't have the receipt) I only got charged the GST, not the PST for some reason (both times).

 

[21Rouge]

Originally Posted By: rcy
I have the receipt to prove it (and Caterham has seen it).

IIRC, (I'm at work and don't have the receipt)


rcy, no need for proof. I was never questioning your integrity. It is just that I am sure I can't get that price at my local Toyota stealership. If I am in the neighbourhood I will check just to see.

Your price is crazy low.