Top electric vehicle registrations in Europe by company, April 2025

[UncleDave]

Not really, we are the most desired market in the world and GM has for 90 years outsold every other automaker. Im sure any automaker would love to be in that postion, oh heck, I bet any company would like to be in that position. That is quite a track record. There was one year and only one year, right after Covid Toyota squeaked by due to GM shortages of parts in 2022.

No really, where is GM on the list you posted? We're not talking about Trucks SUV's and small blocks in the states post bankruptcy, well we weren't.

This thread was about EV's in Europe and after years of dev GM isn't even cracking the top 12 with some of the newest products in the market.

Ford isnt on it either and after several years hasn't made a competitive product.

I want to see all American companies succeed.

 

[alarmguy]

No really, where is GM on the list you posted? We're not talking about Trucks SUV's and small blocks in the states post bankruptcy, well we weren't.

This thread was about EV's in Europe and after years of dev GM isn't even cracking the top 12 with some of the newest products in the market.

Ford isnt on it either and after several years hasn't made a competitive product.

I want to see all American companies succeed.

I guess "succeed" is a matter of opinion. I see GM as a success #1 in the USA for 90 years.

Profit margins are better in the USA, all automakers from overseas will agree. How can we go over to Europe and compete with China?
Its not working out too well for Tesla as they get bashed into the ground, even in China where April 2025 sales are down 9% and they have a factory there.

Success is a matter of opinion in what one is trying to achieve. I would like GM to hold onto its USA crown. Focused on a market.
You know the saying, "jack of all trades, master of none"

Sure, dont misunderstand me, I would like GM and Ford to be a world wide vehicle manufacturer but it's not going to happen as much as they have tried.

"General Motors (GM) made a strategic decision to exit the European market in 2017 by fully divesting its European subsidiary, including its well-known brands, Opel and Vauxhall, which were sold to the PSA Group (now part of Stellantis). This marked the end of GM’s direct presence in Europe, a region it had been part of for decades."
Source - https://stockdividendscreener.com/auto-manufacturers/gm/general-motors-market-share-by-region/#C1

 

[UncleDave]

I guess "succeed" is a matter of opinion. I see GM as a success #1 in the USA for 90 years.

Profit margins are better in the USA, all automakers from overseas will agree. How can we go over to Europe and compete with China?
Its not working out too well for Tesla as they get bashed into the ground, even in China where April 2025 sales are down 9% and they have a factory there.

Success is a matter of opinion in what one is trying to achieve. I would like GM to hold onto its USA crown. Focused on a market.
You know the saying, "jack of all trades, master of none"

Sure, dont misunderstand me, I would like GM and Ford to be a world wide vehicle manufacturer but it's not going to happen as much as they have tried.

Success isnt so much a matte of opinion, but matter of product segment in a given geography.

In specific places with specific product GM is awesome as is Ford.

Leave that geography and or product segment and they arent.

Both had better work it out, and figure out how to beat China or all they will have is pickup and SUV sales in the US. Both heavily subsidized by 179. This doesnt bode well for stock or growth.

Tesla had the best chance in this new market but their leader did absolutely everything he could do to make himself unlikeable - almost like he was following a punchlist of how to be a douchebag worldwide.

 

[alarmguy]

Success isnt so much a matte of opinion, but matter of product segment in a given geography.

In specific places with specific product GM is awesome as is Ford.

Leave that geography and or product segment and they arent.

Both had better work it out, and figure out how to beat China or all they will have is pickup and SUV sales in the US. Both heavily subsidized by 179. This doesnt bode well for stock or growth.

Tesla had the best chance in this new market but their leader did absolutely everything he could do to make himself unlikeable - almost like he was following a punchlist of how to be a douchebag worldwide.

You're assuming China is going to take over GM in the USA. I dont see it happening just as every overseas car manufacturer has failed.
The new Bolt arrives the end of this year will be another killer EV product for those who want one, their current line up of EVs had a 97% gain in the first quarter.

 

[SC Maintenance]

I guess "succeed" is a matter of opinion. I see GM as a success #1 in the USA for 90 years.

Profit margins are better in the USA, all automakers from overseas will agree.

Honest question. I am not slinging mud at GM (although the world knows I would enjoy doing so ).

GM claimed to have a $6B profit last year. Yet their debt grew by $10B. Now I understand accounting basics and cash flows and so on, so they can do this. But still, there further in the hole $4B. So how can we say there successful? Maybe stopping expenditures on EV's helps them with this?

By measures of overall sales, profit and debt - Nissan has a better balance sheet - and we all know what everyone here thinks of their future?

 

[SwampSurvivor]

I was dragged into the EV world kicking and screaming, only making the final decision when I realised the savings to be had.

My daily driver is a company Cupra Born (which is the Seat offering) and it has opened my eyes no end to EV's and I absolutely love the thing! My Girlfriend has a VW ID3 Pro and we both admit the Cupra is a far a far better all-round package, but in fairness to Seat, they had an extra 2 years to continue to develop the ID3 to suit their image.

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I'd agree. Seeing more and more EV's around but less Teslas then ever. I think a lot of people struggle with the minimalistic interiors compared to other companies offerings.



Is Polestar included in the 'Volvo' segment because I see Polestars everywhere now.

I like the minimalist idea behing the Tesla computer, but it's in the wrong direction for me. Everything's computer so that kinda defeats the purpose of the minimalist. I'd like analog HAVC controls with a basic infotainment system.

 

[SwampSurvivor]

Im not so sure the reasons for both Volvo and Tesla declines. Yes, I know the whole hate Musk thing is a factor however I have said for years now once other automakers come online with EV's Tesla would no longer have the market to themselves.

So my question would be this, since both Volvo and Tesla took big hits was this because they were first to market over there.
It would be 100% natural to lose big market share once other automakers started producing the same product.

Same here in the USA. An EV is an "engine" powered by a battery. If you were the only one with that product of course your sales would be through the roof UNTIL other automakers (established ones at that) came out and offered their customers both fossil fuel vehicles AND EV's in the same showrooms.
As far as Tesla in the USA, their only big presence is online vs companies like GM almost one in every town.

Tesla is kinda like Netflix, IMO. First to successfully bring something to the market en-masse.

But a few years in, there's better and more alternatives all doing things their own way. I had a Netflix subscription for years, now I have a few different services but not a Netflix subscription.

Tesla did the hard part and made EV a household name. They built the massive charging infrastructure to show it can be done and viable.

Now they are facing real competition from companies that are producing more traditional type vehicles.

Elon definitely had some not insignificant part of it, but a lot of it is just the market reacting to good or better alternatives.

 

[97prizm]

Skoda is a VW in a different frock. Just as an Audi is a VW in posh frock. But it's more than badge engineering. A Skoda is built on the same platform as VW; they tend to be slightly bigger and lower quality but very good value as they are a little cheaper.



BMW's are not at a all affordable and since the demise of the i3 their EV's occupy only the top of the EV market. Their success can only be driven by the fact that they are mostly company purchases as few private buyers could afford them.



Tesla sales have been decimated by Elon Musk dabbling in politics- simple as that. Buyers have decided that they don't like him and his new friend. Odd way to decide on a car purchase but there is no other reason for Tesla sales halving.


The only Chinese brand in the list is BYD and isn't that something to celebrate for now but look at that 169% growth.

Funny thing is that at the Qatar conference Elon stated that Tesla doesn't have a sales problem. It'll be interesting to see if these numbers continue.

 

[Torrid]

I like the minimalist idea behing the Tesla computer, but it's in the wrong direction for me. Everything's computer so that kinda defeats the purpose of the minimalist. I'd like analog HAVC controls with a basic infotainment system.

While I can understand that, you’ve got a lot more moving parts with basic HVAC controls.

 

[SwampSurvivor]

While I can understand that, you’ve got a lot more moving parts with basic HVAC controls.

Oh for sure. I just don't trust all the electroncs for that type of stuff.

 

[Torrid]

Oh for sure. I just don't trust all the electroncs for that type of stuff.

It’s kind of the same thing really. The difference is an input on a screen that goes to a module or a physical set of buttons that connect to the same module.

Sure everything is on a screen, but I’ve had a lot more mechanical parts like digitally controlled analog gauges or button assemblies fail usually because of some moving plastic part or gear broke and they’re not considered serviceable parts and require buying a new assembly. I think either have their own positives or negatives though.

 

[SC Maintenance]

It’s kind of the same thing really. The difference is an input on a screen that goes to a module or a physical set of buttons that connect to the same module.

Sure everything is on a screen, but I’ve had a lot more mechanical parts like digitally controlled analog gauges or button assemblies fail usually because of some moving plastic part or gear broke and they’re not considered serviceable parts and require buying a new assembly. I think either have their own positives or negatives though.

The industrial world - albeit much harsher environment than a car interior - all went to touch screen HMI's 20 years ago. There all moving at least some of the controls - the ones use repetitively - back to buttons - albeit their Capacitive sealed touch buttons, not the old analog mechanical stuff - so there is nothing to break. The screen is still there for more advanced stuff.

Of course in the automotive world all the buttons are board mounted anyway - so if one fails your supposed to throw the whole thing away anyway. Planned obsolescence.

 

[dogememe]

It’s kind of the same thing really. The difference is an input on a screen that goes to a module or a physical set of buttons that connect to the same module.

Sure everything is on a screen, but I’ve had a lot more mechanical parts like digitally controlled analog gauges or button assemblies fail usually because of some moving plastic part or gear broke and they’re not considered serviceable parts and require buying a new assembly. I think either have their own positives or negatives though.

Yeah, I think "not trusting electronics" is an impossible approach to car ownership now. That collection of physical buttons he's so obsessed with communicates to some module over the Canbus or something that then changes the blend door actuators electronically.

 

[Quattro Pete]

I don't think there's any GM cars available in Europe any more. The last being Vauxhall/Opel who have not long been sold to Stellantis.

A couple of years ago, GM was talking about returning to Europe and only selling EVs. I guess that never materialized...

https://www.carscoops.com/2023/05/g...lectric-range-from-multiple-brands-this-fall/

 

[alarmguy]

Honest question. I am not slinging mud at GM (although the world knows I would enjoy doing so ).

GM claimed to have a $6B profit last year. Yet their debt grew by $10B. Now I understand accounting basics and cash flows and so on, so they can do this. But still, there further in the hole $4B. So how can we say there successful? Maybe stopping expenditures on EV's helps them with this?

By measures of overall sales, profit and debt - Nissan has a better balance sheet - and we all know what everyone here thinks of their future?

I don't have enough interest to look into it any further than this link. But this more complicated than we think. Big company many divisions.
Automotive division debt looks unchanged and lower from 2015 to 2023
Big debit is GM financial. I have idea how that works.

Im not defending the company so we can sling as much mud as we want.
Fact is, 90 years of top USA sales in the industry is all that matters to me. I do get what you are saying and well, not interested enough to look at more than this article.

Example, part of its debt is simply the loans it makes and credit cards, mortgages etc.

Source -
https://stockdividendscreener.com/auto-manufacturers/gm-total-debt-and-liabilities/#A2

 

[Trav]

While I can understand that, you’ve got a lot more moving parts with basic HVAC controls.

I don't think that is correct. This whole thing about minimalist is untrue, the Tesla actually more actuators and electronic control boards and they have been having issues with these heat pump units.

https://brushless.zone/tesla-model-s-a-c-compressor-teardown/

 

[Torrid]

The industrial world - albeit much harsher environment than a car interior - all went to touch screen HMI's 20 years ago. There all moving at least some of the controls - the ones use repetitively - back to buttons - albeit their Capacitive sealed touch buttons, not the old analog mechanical stuff - so there is nothing to break. The screen is still there for more advanced stuff.

Of course in the automotive world all the buttons are board mounted anyway - so if one fails you’re supposed to throw the whole thing away anyway. Planned obsolescence.

Everything’s disposable. Why make it more expensive? If the screen not working affects your climate control, you’re not going to know how fast you’re going anyway, well that would be a problem if I couldn’t control everything from my phone and see the vehicle speed in the worst case that the screen gets broken and I need to get it somewhere to replace it.

Heck if want I can even change my music, climate, and various other options from the app in my phone.

 

[Torrid]

Yeah, I think "not trusting electronics" is an impossible approach to car ownership now. That collection of physical buttons he's so obsessed with communicates to some module over the Canbus or something that then changes the blend door actuators electronically.

Yep. Pretty sure most analog gauges have been electronically controlled for 20+ years.

 

[Torrid]

I don't think that is correct. This whole thing about minimalist is untrue, the Tesla actually more actuators and electronic control boards and they have been having issues with these heat pump units.
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https://brushless.zone/tesla-model-s-a-c-compressor-teardown/

I’m only talking of the inputs to the system. This module and actuators would be no different if it was activated by buttons separate from the screen.

 

[alarmguy]

I appreciate physical buttons, I think most of the public does too
Specific functions without having to scroll through a touchscreen
Of course, those buttons are more costly, but some manufacturers have gone back to them. BMW, which started to eliminate them got backlash.