To EV or not to EV

Yeah most hybrids today integrate the batteries electric motors and gas together. There's none that I'm aware of that can operate if the gas or battery power fails.

PHEV might be able to go without a working gas engine. I recall the original Prius was electric only when it started.

The original Honda hybrids integrated the gas and electric drivetrain, but others do it a different way.
 
It's all about driving experience at least for me. I've yet to meet one of these environmental nuts that anti EV people say drive them. Same with Prius or any other hybrid driver. They'll usually tell you how much they save in gas though or how nice and quiet it drives.

EVs are pretty good for short trip driving. I can smell my car or a neighbor warming up a gas powered car or just taking off before the catalytic converter is fully working. They're definitely not putting out emissions in residential areas. I guess there's criticism that they're just moving the power generation elsewhere, but industrial power is generally a lot cleaner than self-contained ICE.
 
EVs are pretty good for short trip driving. I can smell my car or a neighbor warming up a gas powered car or just taking off before the catalytic converter is fully working. They're definitely not putting out emissions in residential areas. I guess there's criticism that they're just moving the power generation elsewhere, but industrial power is generally a lot cleaner than self-contained ICE.

Agreed. It's a lot better controlled though I usually get disagreed with here though and accused of some form of NIMBYism. There's nothing I dislike more than being stuck behind a vehicle with the catalyst not at temp on a cold day. My GTI is absolutely offensive when cold. I can't run the car to warm it up on a cold day if need to put stuff in the back. It's just a face full of exhaust.
 
Everything “destroys “ the environment.

Including every building with asphalt roofs and plastic/aluminum siding .
Every AC system destroys the environment.

What destroys it least?
When acres and acres of forests and farmland are turned into solar farms, that reduces the amount of oxygen produced from carbon dioxide. Stupid idea.
 
When acres and acres of forests and farmland are turned into solar farms, that reduces the amount of oxygen produced from carbon dioxide. Stupid idea.

This area has acres and acres of forest turned into shaded acres and acres of ginseng crops because forest land pays big taxes.

In this situation solar panels would make a better ginseng field.

But the government shouldn’t have policies that force owners to slash and burn forest land
 
Agreed. It's a lot better controlled though I usually get disagreed with here though and accused of some form of NIMBYism. There's nothing I dislike more than being stuck behind a vehicle with the catalyst not at temp on a cold day. My GTI is absolutely offensive when cold. I can't run the car to warm it up on a cold day if need to put stuff in the back. It's just a face full of exhaust.

Yeah - industrial scale power generation is considerably cleaner than thousands of ICE engines. I've stood next to my warmed up car and the exhaust has absolutely no smell when warm, but obviously stinks up the place with a cold start.

There are also all those considerations of maintenance on ICE vehicles depending on short distance driving, and that more or less goes away with EVs.

I do recall that some Prius models had an insulated coolant tank that was supposed to speed up the warming up of the engine and the exhaust. Don't recall how effective it was.
 
Anti EV people default to comparing Ev's to penally boxes and almost universally dismiss the driving experience.

Most of the anti's love hot small blocks and old school big blocks and dont really realize (coz 0 experience) thats what driving a fairly quick ev is like.
I've driven many an ev. The original Tesla roadster model s and x while working for an independent dealership. The only other ev that I drove was the Fiat 500e which was torquey as all get out. You could squeal the front tires around a turn but the 88 mile range made it useless. Honestly I think ev's should be rated with headlights on radio wipers on and maybe ac or heat as those can significantly reduce range. The biggest negative is no sounds, which maybe future generations won't care about. For me the sound is as much of an identity as everything else. A Ferrari 512 bb vs 250 gto vs a dodge viper all have sounds that set them apart.
 
EVs are pretty good for short trip driving. I can smell my car or a neighbor warming up a gas powered car or just taking off before the catalytic converter is fully working. They're definitely not putting out emissions in residential areas. I guess there's criticism that they're just moving the power generation elsewhere, but industrial power is generally a lot cleaner than self-contained ICE.
You'd be surprised how clean current vehicles really are. In some really congested areas like Mumbai a number of Sulev vehicles like the Subaru Impreza are emitting cleaner emissions than what went in through the engine.
 
I've driven many an ev. The original Tesla roadster model s and x while working for an independent dealership. The only other ev that I drove was the Fiat 500e which was torquey as all get out. You could squeal the front tires around a turn but the 88 mile range made it useless. Honestly I think ev's should be rated with headlights on radio wipers on and maybe ac or heat as those can significantly reduce range. The biggest negative is no sounds, which maybe future generations won't care about. For me the sound is as much of an identity as everything else. A Ferrari 512 bb vs 250 gto vs a dodge viper all have sounds that set them apart.
Oh I love sound too. I also love quiet in the right scenario. That's the reason why well off EV owners have them as their daily cars with a toy in the garage typically. They also offer a level of performance for less than anything that can accelerate like one, but if we could all afford 250 GTOs I'm sure we'd buy them. Talk about an untouchable.
 
Oh I love sound too. I also love quiet in the right scenario. That's the reason why well off EV owners have them as their daily cars with a toy in the garage typically. They also offer a level of performance for less than anything that can accelerate like one, but if we could all afford 250 GTOs I'm sure we'd buy them. Talk about an untouchable.
Yeah Ferrari only made 40 250 gto's one test vehicle at the modena factory and 39 production vehicles. They're selling anywhere from $36 million on a bad year to $70 million for perfection.
 
There are so many pretty Ferrari models from the sixties and seventies that would be fun to own.
Too valuable to drive, though.
Anything prettier than A Dino 246 GT? Don't think so, although maybe a Dino 206 S.
Years ago there were a pair of college profs who partnered on a vintage raced 250 GTO. At that time the car was worth quite a few times what they had bought it for in the day when it was no more than an obsolete and uncompetitive racer.
One of them commented when asked why they still raced it that you couldn't do five million dollars in damage to the car, then its value.
 
Even if I had 70 billion dollars, no way would i pay 70 million for a car.
I've driven some expensive cars, the highest of which was an F1 McLaren, which sold for about $15M. At some point, it ceases to matter. Probably around the $250K point.

The thing is, the Plaid can do what these cars did. For a fraction of the price. With the exception of the 240mph top speed.

Here I am following the McLaren F1 in an Enzo:
(yes, the F1 was stupidly faster)

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I like a good sports car, but my practical side would never allow me to spend 70M on a car, even if I was 100 times more wealthy, than the worlds richest person.
 
They have their own problems however, like producing power when nobody needs it and not producing it when it's needed ;)
I mean everything has its drawbacks and the power company does their balancing of production based on need, so I’m sure it come out in the wash. It’s obviously not perfect but is an option in use. I’ve seen solar here in spots, but most are on homes. I know of two actual solar farms in my area. I can’t see a fault in diversifying power production.
 
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