Timken Machine Testing

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I got my hands on a Timken Machine. I tested full synthetic SAE 10w30 oils today. I put on a 11 lb weight for 10 seconds then measured the scar with a micrometer . I am videotaping the tests, so i will post videos of this test in the near future.

Oils i've tested so far
  • Mobile 1
  • Royal Purple
  • AMSOil
  • Castrol
  • Valvoline
  • Lucas Oil
  • Pennzoil
  • Quaker State
Any suggestions on what/how i should test?

Thanks!
-Mike
 
I didn't know this test was designed to evaluate engine oils. I thought it was designed to measure some of the extreme pressure handling capabilities of GL5 gear oils.
 
Although Timken OK Load ASTM 2509 was developed using the machine's method, it is used today to show the EP barrier properties of a lubricant only. Most machines are only accurate enough to use as a comparative test. Normally a great marketing tool.
 
Any test can be valuable, so thank you.
I forsee a problem with massive videos and dial up connections, though!
Maybe a simple list of 'winner to loser' would be a good addition.

The problem is, a loser in this test may actually be the finest engine oil that shows the least wear in UOAs.
 
Originally Posted By: mechtech2

The problem is, a loser in this test may actually be the finest engine oil that shows the least wear in UOAs.

+1 I would rather you use the machine for gear oils or grease as this test is meaningless for motor oils.
 
I havn't done Timken testing for a fair while but it's amazing how different oils perform. The standout from a public show we did years back was M1 0W40 Tri Syn. That oil just kept going and exceeded our abilities to keep adding more pressure. Ended up breaking the machine and burning a large hole in the motels carpet. They were less than impressed.
 
Originally Posted By: sprintman
I havn't done Timken testing for a fair while but it's amazing how different oils perform. The standout from a public show we did years back was M1 0W40 Tri Syn. That oil just kept going and exceeded our abilities to keep adding more pressure. Ended up breaking the machine and burning a large hole in the motels carpet. They were less than impressed.


Ya but it sounded like a good time!
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Originally Posted By: INDYMAC
I didn't know this test was designed to evaluate engine oils. I thought it was designed to measure some of the extreme pressure handling capabilities of GL5 gear oils.
Sweet! What Gear Oils should i test?

I found Pennzoil
 
A great idea and thank you for your effort and time. I would also like to see Pennzoil Platinum since it seems to be highly regarded here on BITOG. some 5w30 would be my second group choice.
 
"I put on a 11 lb weight for 10 seconds then measured the scar with a micrometer."

You need a calibrated microscope to measure the wear scar.
 
By the way the hoary old wives tails that Pepsi/Coke and bleach perform as well on a Timken are total and utter [censored]. Good products that you expect to perform well do but there are surprises. Shell Helix Ultra gives up the ghost very early on a Timken. Redline shows it's exceptional high temp capabilities (POE?). The M1 Tri Syn 0W40 opened my eyes that viscosity has bugger all relation to ability to handle heat and pressure. That night I introduced it to the audience expecting a total embarrasing joke, on my part, made us all wonder what was going on. Still the defining moment in my oil discovery travels. I still think Mobil knows a lot more than most about what works in an engine and what doesn't but that is just my opinion folks.
 
Originally Posted By: Jaybird
Did you guys see this Timken video?
http://bi-tronaustralia.com/BTAtestCD.wmv

I've seen that one ( Bi-Tron ) as well as this one ( Motorkote )
http://www.motorkote.com/OnlineDemoAmsoil/

And this one ( Royal Purple )
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1712299263246216338

I found these results as well but no video ( Australian Mag )
http://www.animegame.com/cars/Oil Tests.pdf

Another name for this test is the Falex test, correct?
The machine i have on loan is a Second Class Lever with a mechinical advantage of 10:1 where i place the 11 lb weight (110 lbs of force).


In short, i find every video not that good, that is why i decided to film this myself.

I found some Redline 10w30, so i will be testing that as well. I want to test all motor oils before i move on to the gear oils. So far every oil has not seized the machine with the 110 lbs of force, then again i am not trying to make that happen, i just want to measure the cut size after 10 seconds. Unfortunately the 10 seconds is me counting off, but i can count # frames after i edit the film, which would give me a error margin.
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
"You need a calibrated microscope to measure the wear scar.
Good idea, what if i send it off and have a Scanning electron microscop look at it? The micrometer does work, but its not exact, then again does this need to be that exact?

Thank you for all the input, and your time!
-Mike

ps i like royal purples test rig, that looks expensive!
 
I believe Falex developed the machine for Timken. And I believe the correct term for the device is a Falex Machine. Although folks usually think Falex machine when they hear Timken.
We have a half dozen of them.

I don't think measuring the scar with eyeballing calipers is a problem with this test. It is hardly accurate enough to justify using a microscope to measure.
It is more an eyes only comparative smoke and mirrors show.

It has merit, but it can in no way predict the total integrity of an engine oil, IMO. It is for showing barrier film properties of a lubricant only.

The real dog and pony show comes when you can apply just a few drops of a fluid, with no bath, and have it continue to perform under load without replenishing.

I have used this machine at a trade show, and drew as much crowd as the hot pants gals in the Lincoln booth!
 
I have my very first test video online now...
http://www.bestsharing.com/files/cbI8A4383930/test1.1-muxed.mp4.html
650kbps, 2 Min, 9MB
This is Mobil 1 10w30 Extended Performance, with 2 3/4 Lbs for about 10 seconds; about 27.5 lbs of force.
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1_Extended_Performance_10W-30.aspx

Quick Summery: Starts to make a lot of noise about 4 seconds into the test, amp meter stays the same.

If you can't get the video to play use VLC
http://www.download.com/3000-13632_4-10781296.html
Quick Note, This is very high compression, you need a FAST computer!!!

I was trying to find a free webhost that would let me use this video, something like this
http://mikeytown2.byethost13.com/flvplayer.html
but it doesn't like the mp4 file. the aspect ratio of the video should be 16/9 but i encoded it at 4/3 (trying to save space).
 
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Instead of measuring wear scars, has anybody thought of or tried to quantify the motor current with perhaps an A/D converter/recorder to analyze the current vs time characteristics of the Timken motor while under varying testing secarios.

Perhaps the motor current can give a more accurate quantification of high pressure friction BEFORE bearing damage occurs.
 
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